Replies to post #113036 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[Alex G]

>>The US has not been defeated militarily in war - the defeat has always been political, and come on the home front (especially for VietNam) where the anti-war groups (usually liberals) have eroded the will to fight. The same is about to happen once again in Iraq.<< -- mlsoft
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mlsoft, the True christian and war-lover, and apologist for torture (Gitmo frat house stuff)

it's the fault of the liberals, that we can't have MORE wars

mlsoft, defender of ALL wars and defender of torture... in the name of god

[CoalTrain]

I say the U.S. has been defeated militarily.



Technically the Serbs won the war in Kosovo.

They signed the same agreement that they were willing to sign before the bombing. They did not back down one inch. Clinton and the mad bomber Albright were the ones who backed down and accepted the terms of Milosovich. Anyone who does not know this does not know nearly enough to make any conclusions about the war in Kosovo.



Call it a stale mate if you like, it certainly was not a victory in any sense including a military victory. If you want to claim that the Clintonistas first lost the war politically I disagree. If a country starts bombing another country with absolutely no plan as happened in Kosovo and then loses militarily so badly that the war becomes unpopular, would you say the war was lost politically? I certainly would not.

We lost the war in Kosovo militarily first.

Can you name any country that lost a war militarily that did not have the war become politically unpopular? Conversely can you name any country that lost a war militarily and the war became popular?

My point is this. It is possible to overpower the enemy a thousand to one and still lose if a government is aggressively stupid enough as was the case in the war in Kosovo.

Just because Americans dont notice a military loss it does not mean it did not happen.

We had better have a plan if we invade Iran threatening multibillion dollars worth of Chinese interest.


China's new missile 'warning to U.S.'

Taiwan military experts say America should take notice
Posted: June 20, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

China's newly developed submarine-launched Ju Lang-2 missile should serve as a warning to the U.S. not to underestimate Beijing's military power, say Taiwanese military experts.

"The Ju Lang-2 poses a great threat to the U.S. because it has better precision and guidance and is harder to detect," said Weng Ming-hsien, a professor from the Institute of Strategic Studies at the Tamkang University.

Weng said China probably would deploy the Ju Lang-2, which carries nuclear warheads, on its Han-class nuclear submarines.

"China wants to tell the U.S. that it has never stopped developing nuclear arms," he said. "China also wants to warn Russia not to get too close to the U.S."

Lee Shih-ping, a military expert specializing in warplanes and warships, said Ju Lang-2 posed a new security threat to the U.S. because it could be fired from the sea and reach the U.S. interior.

"China now has a platform to carry and fire nuclear arms," he said. "It now ranks along with Britain, France, Russia and the US as the countries which have nuclear capability. Ju Lang-2 is a more lethal weapon and it is a weapon for invasion."

Both Weng and Li said that the test-firing of Ju Lang-2 on July 16 last year was a warning for the U.S. not to meddle in China's affairs, especially the Taiwan issue.

The Japanese government said Friday that China on Thursday had test-fired the Ju Lang-2 missile, a modified version of China's Dongfeng-31 intercontinental ballistic missile.

Ju Lang-2 was believed to have been fired from a nuclear sub in waters off Qingdao, landing in a desert in China several thousand kilometers away.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44875