Trust me they are going in more direction than we know I'm sure such as kryronized steel which is a whole new door being open possibly bullets, ships for are navy they are far stronger and I guess the steel isn't suppose to corrode, kryron paint, the new wire, helicopter parts I'm mean how much more could you be asking them to do there's only so many hours in a day. How bout we hold off on what has and hasn't happened yet. If ya know something than share it if ya don't agree with what someone says ask valid questions, but if everything goes the way I heard it and its worth as much as I've been told then before this months over there wont be any more worry. I was just wondering if anyone knows, do we need the cert to start this contract? So ya if ya don't like what's happening you can always get out if not I wouldnt worry unless we hit 2012 in the same spot. Like everyone should know as I learned it very early nothing is a guarantee and things don't always go as planned but as you can see from everything I listed above there making huge progress everyday whether we see it or not, I'm mean a year ago we didn't have most of these products and if we did they've probably been updated and improved. Trust me I hope everything ive heard is accurate cause if it is by Halloween ill be sitting pretty good and Im sure you all know how much it rains in washington ya that's where I landscape and life can get a little depressing when you know you'll be working in the rain for the next 8 months so I couldn't come fast enough for me hang in there. Well that's the end of my book lol. Good luck all looking forward to the best winter ever