Nope, did very well with GNBT more than five years ago. I had to wait two years before that in order to sell into the buying panic that ran that stock from $0.17 to $5.01 due to the avian flu scare that was predictable. I needed some place to put my ill gotten gains, looked all over and came up with VRDM and have been averaging down ever since. But I have also studied everything ever written by and about the Kreisler family since the 70's. It ain't pretty. I know that this gambit will pay off in the future probably despite the management. But absolutely any thing is possible here and the fun is speculating on those possibilities based on previous behavior. Don't get me wrong I want this thing to go to Da Moon sooner than later, actually I would prefer it wait for a year since I picked up so many shares at 0.0001 and I am greedy. I want time to only pay capital gains and establish residence for a year in a state without personal income tax.