cash, i didn't mean to imply "there has not been enough discussion about the correct phasings", if thats what you thought (and perhaps i did not clarify my thoughts). there is not enough discussion about phasing in general. it is the key to successful use of hurst. it seemed we have a lot more posters who have decided to try trading with cycles but i was getting the impression most were jumping right into trading based on what you, i, or a few others might have posted, rather then doing the work themselves.