B this quote from Jeff again in the Chiefs opinion is just as bad as the slander you speak of,he states that these are facts and what info did jeff have at that time? again he knew something as he played with debt wraps[legal or not,I will guess legal] but he had info others could not.. jmho http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=61910786