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Ace Hanlon

04/16/05 10:16 AM

#381190 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Zeev:

I pretty much agree with your outlook here though i would not rule out one more big down day (or at least a down morning Monday) before the bounce.




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ogm

04/16/05 10:50 AM

#381194 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Zeev, which DOW stocks are you looking at here for a gambit ? I only got DOW Chemical so far.
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lostalot

04/16/05 10:55 AM

#381195 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Zeev: NFLX, what do you think? It is near 2 yrs low and Motley Fool (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/intchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=MU&time=8&freq=1)

Particularly in light of Netflix insiders own nearly 30% of the company, and that ought to keep management aligned with shareholder interests.
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Tim Lamb

04/16/05 11:09 AM

#381196 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Zeev:

When I look in the WSJ it gives the S&P 500 pe @ 20. This is trailing so I assume you and others I hear / read saying 16 - 17 pe are indicating 2005 estimated pe (I heard Brinker on the radio mention 16 pe but page 2 of section 3 of the journal still indicates 20). These estimates have been coming down, no?

Some of the big dow componentes AIG, GM, F, IBM to name 4, have warned in last 3 weeks on current year (actually AIG hasn't warned just indicated they've overstated past years by $1.7B and they made $3B in the 4th quarter so this may be priced in but its breaking $55 was a big break on PnF charts).

I heard (can't verify) the trailing pe in 87 was 21.

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brainlessone

04/16/05 11:53 AM

#381202 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

the bp compq can fix itself with a another down to the 39.5 to 37.5 region, and a reversal
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hightecheast

04/16/05 12:02 PM

#381204 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Zeev, a non-technical and non-financial large-cap Dow or S&P stock is exactly what I am thinking. Do you have any suggestions to look at for the next upside rally ... probably starting this week IMO?

Ken Wilson
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MSGI

04/16/05 12:42 PM

#381213 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Zeev, you could be right. This market is certainly way oversold and due for a bounce. But this is what I see as being different now than in 1987.
Lets see, in 1987, the price of oil was only $15.95 in October, the month of the crash
compared to $55+ last week. Here are the historic prices fro 1987.
1987 January........... 13.79 February.......... 14.51 March............. 14.54 April.............
14.95 May............... 15.29 June.............. 15.95 July.............. 16.88 August............ 17.06
September......... 16.25 October........... 15.95 November.......... 15.46 December..........
14.27

Now throw in the cost of the war in Iraq. It is now about $163 trillion and that doesn't
include what was spent in Afghanistan.
http://costofwar.com/
So, even though the PE's were higher then, we didn't have the big drian on the economy that we have now.
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plexxus

04/16/05 12:55 PM

#381216 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Zeev this site has been pretty reliable and they have the current P/E on the SP 500 at 19.50. Factor in the expensing of stock options in the second half of the year and you'll have a further contraction of earnings thus making the 19.50 current P/E look rather favorable/conservative/low.

http://www.vtoreport.com/

(Scroll down mid day to the right of the SP 500 chart)

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porter

04/16/05 1:53 PM

#381230 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Z--

TA confirms your outlook. We completed an A-B-C from Dec 04 and your 1750 (which I think will be 1777 or 1776 if u r patriotic) will complete a larger A-B-C from Jan 04.

I am now sitting all alone on the ice-flow believing we still need a Wave 5 for Super Cycle 3 to close out the Bull market. (That may well be tied into your (Who-leeoh-Augustus) ramp. The e-wavers jus' don't see this goin' into overtime. I think they are wrong. <g>

As we decline the bearish sentiment at Dow 7200 will be "deja vu all over again." Who says there are no mobius strips? <gg>

OT:

***Why didn't the newspapers play up how important it was that both men spoke farsi to one another?

***With almost seven million OddlotSS in TWO days, life is going to be interesting this week!!

Regards
-P





"Buckle up..."- Mzz B. Davis
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Joe Stocks

04/16/05 4:53 PM

#381251 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

>>A crash like 87 is extremely unlikely IMTO.<<

Only because we had that crash in 1987 and the Fed is now prepared to respond. I think the dynamics are there, but the 'crash' will come in slow motion. I think Doug Noland's piece this week set the stage very well. This mmarket has some awesome challenges ahead that it must overcome. It's the 'Perfect Storm' storm that Puplava and others have been talking about so long.
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Will Lyons

04/16/05 4:59 PM

#381252 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

Zeev
Since reporting 24 cents for the last quarter CVV hs been trading up and down like a yoyo, going above 8 and below 4! Although my own interest in this stock is for the long term, recent volatility has provided some opportunities to trade for fun and profit. It has a very small float so I hesitated to suggest it to you until I recalled the attention paid to NVEC


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hightecheast

04/16/05 6:14 PM

#381263 RE: Zeev Hed #381189

<<I am in the camp of a fast and furious run, maybe two to three weeks (2020 target), and then resumption of the decline into late June for a target of around 1750 or so followed with another "fast and furious" ramp in July early August, followed by another major bloody September.>>

Zeev. As I said earlier, I much agree with the basic scenario you painted as being the most likely with relatively proportionate numbers on the SPX, INDU and NYA.

However, in reference to the crash in 1987, and I agree that valuations based on P/Es are not nearly as extreme now, the possibility of a negative 'financial-event' in September, October or anytime is probably far greater than in 1987. While a crash right now is unlikely ... Elaine Gazarelli hasn't blown the whistle yet [g] ... we probably should expect the unexpected.

And I am saying this not from a TA view, but from a fundamental macroeconomic view. I strongly believe the US and world economy is much more fragile than anytime in the late 80s, and that given some flash/ignition source, we could be in deep crap in a hurry - almost anytime.

There are absolutely huge macroeconomic imbalances in multiple categories relative to anything I have read about back to Tulip-mania in the 1630s ... and the fact that there are multiple economic categories out of balance makes it all the more dangerous, for there exist more variables to ignite things.

1. There is a housing bubble in the US, although probably not as extreme as other categories.

2. Total Household US Assets as a % of Household Liabilities are the lowest (quarterly) dating back to at least 1955.

3. US Household Liabilities As a % of Net Worth were at a new record (through 2004) back to 1945 at least.

4. US Households: Net Financial Investments (in US Dollars) are the lowest since 1946 with the brief exception of 2000.

5. US Exports are lower than US Imports (in dollars) by a greater margin in dollars (and by percentage) than any time previously. And the rate of change is growing quickly in favor of imports.

Add in continued negative US real interest rates in the US, hiring improving much too slowly (and in the lower wage categories mostly), very slow worker income growth, an administration and congress on the Potomac who have shown almost no real intention to either reign in spending or fix social security or medicare, the excesses at Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac ... and anything else I might have forgotten - add that in as well. ................... Combine all that with an American investing public who largely have no clue regarding these true economic facts of life ........ and there is more danger than most people realize.

I am not predicting that we will have a crash ... but the overall complacency of Americans regarding their way of life relative to the real dangers and imbalances in the world makes almost anything possible at any time.

At least that is how I see it.

I am ready to cover all my short positions come Monday, and get long some stocks (and eventually gold again), but I will not assume that the market will not gap down on Monday and keep going for a while. I do not think it will happen, but it could.

Ken Wilson