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future1

02/27/11 11:21 AM

#29670 RE: pesquero #29667

Pesquero- Thanks for your post. The most important thing you add to this board is the willingness to correct over speculation. You do that while at the same time reassuring everyone just how good this stock play is.
You seem to know just where things will be in the long run.
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0101001

02/27/11 11:41 AM

#29671 RE: pesquero #29667

will you be able to snap a couple pictures of the first ship getting loaded and post them?
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Road Worthy

02/27/11 12:36 PM

#29684 RE: pesquero #29667

Spot pricing is a good discussion to have. A 62% discount from spot seems too steep. At $180/dMT that's only $111.6. Bob is already getting more than that on the first shipment. My understanding is that the Platts' 62 percent iron ore index IODBZ00-PLT is already corrected (normalized) for 62% iron. Source below:

http://www.mbironoreindex.com/

http://af.reuters.com/article/idAFTOE71O02720110225

The actual sales price is always negotiable of course and usually includes freight.

Bob's ore is considered high quality (greater than 60% Fe and dry) so if the customer is paying freight he should still get 85-95% of spot, correct?

Another question: Is Bob still planning on monthly production of 115,000 dMT or is he already there?
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capo

02/27/11 2:07 PM

#29706 RE: pesquero #29667

Pesquero, let me tell you that you are doing a really good job.
Do you know if the ship has arrived to the shore?
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surebob

02/27/11 2:46 PM

#29710 RE: pesquero #29667

wrong and right

Contracted price is sold as cents per DMTU generally on a FOB basis with the big three. Dry means a certain percent of moisture acceptable to both parties or the standard...6-7%, if I remember. Anything higher and there will be deductions.

http://www.steelonthenet.com/commodity_prices.html
179 cents x Fe% plus shipping.
The big steel companies contract volume, but now, prices change every quarter instead of every year.

spot price is the spot price. It is higher than contracted because you are not obligated to buy any more than one.
Taking your scenario of a CFR basis, 180 spot x .62= 111 which is lower than contracted price on FOB basis. IS Bob selling on FOB or CFR basis? Who's paying for the ship?
FOB always gets a discount because the trader or buyer ( end user ) gets to take more risk of getting the ore to China and also there is the risk of seller not getting the ore to the port for loading. Time and risk cost money.

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jaetrader

02/27/11 3:26 PM

#29715 RE: pesquero #29667

Thank you for that clarification!