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jmbell42

12/06/10 9:34 AM

#2719 RE: rmanton #2718

Ralph,

I think that the tax grossup is only considered at the corporate level. Clearly, we as the LTW holders benefit from it directly, by increasing our net gain. However, I think that madclown is correct.

If we get our payment in cash, then it will most likely be treated as an income distribution like a dividend. At least, that's always been my working assumption.

Philip makes an excellent point that the payment is effectively a "return of capital" instead of a return on capital.

Like Madclown stated, we probably need to consult the IRS on this issue specifically.

If we are given securities, however, then I think we'll just need to deal with the capital gains. Of course, that opens up the topic of cost basis. Is the original cost basis the point of our award, or is it our initial purchase of the LTWs way back when?

I guess it's never easy and I look forward to when this board is just debating how our payment will be treated, instead of whether or not we will get any payment! That will be a welcome debate!

Best,

Jared
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Madclown

12/06/10 9:42 AM

#2720 RE: rmanton #2718

The entire award wasn't subject to gross up, only the damages portion. In the scenario where we get the $356 million plus the $63 million I believe there is $169 million that was not subject to gross up. That's why the Tax amount called for in the writeup exceeds the $144 million grossup by approx $66 million. The gross up was allowed for in many of these legacy Goodwill cases to make the damages portion tax neutral at the "Bank" level. By adding in the gross up and then taxing the entire award it effectively renders the portion subject to gross up tax neutral.

If there are still some folks holding these LTW since their original issuance they probably have a strong case as to why they should not pay tax at the individual level in the event that they receive a distribution. I'm not so sure someone who purchased the LTWs in the open market after that time has such a strong argument. That's why I suggested contacting the IRS to avoid any doubt.