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treit2002

12/04/10 3:48 PM

#4745 RE: Traderfan #4744

20 in 2 years?

A "simple" matter of business operational execution and raising investor awareness and perception -- of getting $1.00 to $1.20 in 2012 earnings, a 3 - 4 fold increase, and a trailing p/e multiple of 16.6 to 20, also a 3 - 4 fold increase. "Reducing" 2013 guidance to 50% growth, this equates to a forward p/e of 11 to 13.

Indeed, it's a rare company that can quadruple earnings in two years, yet here we have one that targets that exceptional growth; has met most every target in the last two years; has publicized how it will get there; the plans are well underway; and has maintained or exceeded that trajectory so far.

The flower business is the major incremental earnings growth provider for 2010 and 2011. Production will more than triple 2009 levels, mostly because the crops sown years ago are reaching maturity now and in 2011. SIAF will spread at least $12M in 2010 harvested profits into 2010 and first half 2011, as they see fit. Likewise 2011 harvest -- which will be larger -- into 2011 and 2012. $12M is $.20 fully diluted share, exactly the delta between $.29 2010 guidance and $.49 2011 guidance.

On top of this, SIAF targets "franchising" and constructing 4 fisheries in 2011 and 8 in 2012. That's $10M and $20M incremental gross profit in respective years, not counting income from fish sales, which will lag by about a year. So, in 2012, SIAF will derive income from its interest in 5 farms; in 2013 from 13!

Of course the dairy business is still the largest segment and is also growing; the retail brand is getting off the ground; and the cattle business capital is shared with the government, and set to contribute far more meaningful earnings perhaps second half 2011.

Obviously, the balance sheet will look great as a portion of income drops to cash.

On top yet again, distribution and marketing branches will commence 2011, as well. Will look to next year for more guidance on earnings power there. So, if as in the past, SIAF meets goals, really not too hard to see 3 - 4 fold income growth in two years.

A concurrent similar exponential increase in p/e multiple is both easy and hard to visualize. For a small pink sheet company, SIAF has done a remarkably good job promoting investor awareness. They have consistent, fairly frequent good pr; they adopted a very well conceived dividend policy; they have retail and institutional IR contacts; they have ample market makers; they maintain pretty darn good trading volumes and liquidity.

However, they are held back by being on the pink sheets and by being grouped with the Chinese microcaps, some of which have shoddy accounting or worse. If this company executes 100% growth for two years; appears on a 30% - 50% growth pattern for another 3, clearly in the right space in the right country; and if -- the biggest if -- they were listed on the Shanghai exchange or major NASDAQ, even a p/e of 30+ would be possible. Would constitute a PEG of only .5 to 1.

The Form 10 will probably take months to evaluate. I'm not sure where SIAF will uplist, but I think what's absolutely critical is an articulated path for a second uplisting as soon as possible to a more well regarded exchange. A dual listing would be good as well. Likewise, rock solid, Big Four accounting firm, starting hopefully in 2011, consistent conference calls, and analyst coverage

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johngalt_as

12/06/10 10:27 AM

#4759 RE: Traderfan #4744

Yeah, I did. I got a response to a 3rd of my questions so I resent the remaining questions and will post when I have a complete conversation.
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johngalt_as

12/07/10 1:40 PM

#4766 RE: Traderfan #4744

Per my conversation with Chade Sykes, who forwarded my questions on to Solomon. The last response appears to be cut short and I asked Chad to see if he accidentally deleted part of Solomon's response.

2011 we are expecting production to start within June onward so revenue was projected for 6 months whereas 2012 if all will go in accordance with plan, it should have the 13 million in revenue. We are targeting 60% GP. We have contracts in hand to build more APT based on the success results of the 1st farm.

1. Does the gross margin include cost of fingerlings or SG&A? Can you or Solomon elaborate on the breakdown of costs to get from gross revenue to gross income?

Cost of sales inclusive costs of figerlings, feed staffs, power, water other utilities and all associated costs in growing the fish to marketable sizes.

2. As I asked previously, can you provide any guidance as to what your expectations are for net margins. Net margins being your gross margin - operating costs.

Operating costs usually is targeting to be kept below 20% of sales covering all wages & salaries, sales and marketing, transportation and logistic, and all normal operational costs inclusive production and administration labor costs.

3. What kind of maintenance and cap-ex are required to maintain these systems?

We have our own maintenance staffs to work on all electrical and machanical side of the farm such that the major costs will be
replacement of P&E parts and components from time to time, and we are expecting them to be kept within less than 0.5% of sales
within the first two to three years, then increasing gradually as the P&E starting to age.

4. How quickly do you expect similar technologies and methodologies to ATP to be adopted after you show the success of your fish farm model (year 2)?

We are aiming to build another 4 farms in 2011 and 8 more in 2012, in respect of other big contracts which are not depending on us alone to determine how big the developers' projects will need to be and their decision at time will depend on the Government's policies at that time as well.
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