lol .. yup, i'm experienced in Chilean affairs now .. chuckle, my 12 minutes was just as thick .. realized too late it was about 12 or so minutes between the times i was told about them .. and remembered the 2nd one took 17 minutes traveling up then later it was down to about 12 .. the cage isn't turning as much as it did in the beginning ..
just awhile ago i heard it was taking about 40 minutes for each .. so some 4 hours to go
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