Replies to post #71669 on Plastic2Oil Inc (PTOI)

[Zardiw]

Landfills don't take plastic for Free. And never will.......et z

[jjsmith]

Thank you once again for confirming that clean plastic isn't free. All the links below where companies are paying tipping fees are for dirty unwashed unshredded plastic. Until, JBI can prove PUBLICALLY that they can use any chemical in their machine, they have nothing. What good is dirty unwashed unshredded plastic unless the DEC gives them an open ended permit that allows any chemical to go into the machine? As we all know unless you wash the plastic first you have no idea what you are putting in the machine. This is the problem with recycling also and is why much dirty plastic ends up in landfills.

Can you provide any evidence that any DEC in the country or the EPA has EVER provided an open ended permit to allow such unknown chemicals to be used in any process?

If JBI can use this suppossedly free unwashed plastic then why haven't they EVER mentioned this in PUBLIC press release or SEC filing? It seems to me this would be the easiest way to rocket the stock out of the sky. The answer is quite obvious.

Why not have a contest for something meaningfull like the date JBI will show a profit from P2O? That doesn't really fit in with the whole dumping stock on milestones but it is the only milestone that truly matters.

JBII -- FREE PLASTIC FEEDSTOCK = EASY. EXAMPLES BELOW: (updated 9/30/10)

(1) "I have talked to industrial places that PAY to get rid of their waste plastic. Actual places that PAY, not internet searches. I have talked to places that buy waste plastic and its a small percentage of whats out there. They pay higher prices because there is so few of it out there that they can use. There are industrial plastics they don't buy because they can't use them - lots of them."
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54357508

(2) $10 to $100 per ton to dump waste plastic. Cities could save as much as $200 per ton giving it for free to JBII:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53494788

(3) "steady stream" from construction sites by the ton giving away free waste plastic:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53494745

(4) Here's an article, with references, whining that companies who burn plastic get PAID to do it:

"They receive a tip fee for disposing of the waste."
http://stopplasticfuel.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/100/

(5) $50 a ton example cost to dump plastic by a recycler who 40,000 to 80,000 lbs per month to the landfill. (JBII will take it off their hands for free). This is a single location:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53494417

(6) "non-HDPE and non-PET resins are usually sorted out and discarded at the recycling plant."

http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/

Discarded? How much do they PAY to discard? $25, $50, $100 a ton tip fee?

(7) From a New York City website...

These move past a series of laser beams that identify any item made of #1 PET or #2 HDPE and blow it off the main conveyor onto a second conveyor. At this stage, workers manually pull out #1 and #2 bottles and jugs.
What is left over at the end of the conveyor belt journey (#3-7 bottles, #1-7 tubs and trays, as well as non-numbered plastic containers) is disposed of as residue.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycwasteless/html/recycling/whathappens_sorting.shtml

Disposed of = paid to get rid of = avaiable for free to anybody who wants it.

(8) Posted by: Steve555 Date: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:05:53 AM
In reply to: jjsmith who wrote msg# 69037 Post # of 69059

Listen guys,
Get off the subject of feed stock for once and for all!

I have contracts for waste plastic,from hard plastic to dirty film, to be deliverd to my yard, I GET PAID between $80 and delivered free. The better the plastic the worse the price I get paid, if I agree to take the better material for free I can call the period of the contract which is between 3 to 5 years.
I would be more concerened with JBI's roll out timescale.

(9) "Do we must have to pay for plastic? No we don't. I have a contract for mixed plastics, free, for ten years and that is no big deal because I don't have any difficulty acquiring plastic. We are happy to receive dirty plastic (ie: mixed, composites, etc..)"

"80% of all plastic goes to landfill and that is the plastic we are acquiring -- NO ONE buys it now and it is expensive to discard. I don't want the other 0-20% of high quality, highly sorted, super clean plastic that some (few) pay for. The Chinese control that market and it is very cyclical."

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54994150

(10) REALITY ABOUT FREE HYDROCARBON PLASTIC:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54991141

[Rawnoc]

JBII -- FREE PLASTIC FEEDSTOCK = EASY. EXAMPLES BELOW: (updated 10/08/10)

(1) "our management must have decided that trucking the waste plastic up to JBI is less expensive then having to pay for it to be hauled off here and we are giving it to them for free"
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=55299442
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=55322224

(2) "I have talked to industrial places that PAY to get rid of their waste plastic. Actual places that PAY, not internet searches. I have talked to places that buy waste plastic and its a small percentage of whats out there. They pay higher prices because there is so few of it out there that they can use. There are industrial plastics they don't buy because they can't use them - lots of them."
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54357508

(3) $10 to $100 per ton to dump waste plastic. Cities could save as much as $200 per ton giving it for free to JBII:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53494788

(4) "steady stream" from construction sites by the ton giving away free waste plastic:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53494745

(5) Here's an article, with references, whining that companies who burn plastic get PAID to do it:

"They receive a tip fee for disposing of the waste."
http://stopplasticfuel.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/100/

(6) $50 a ton example cost to dump plastic by a recycler who 40,000 to 80,000 lbs per month to the landfill. (JBII will take it off their hands for free). This is a single location:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=53494417

(7) "non-HDPE and non-PET resins are usually sorted out and discarded at the recycling plant."

http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/

Discarded? How much do they PAY to discard? $25, $50, $100 a ton tip fee?

(8) From a New York City website...

These move past a series of laser beams that identify any item made of #1 PET or #2 HDPE and blow it off the main conveyor onto a second conveyor. At this stage, workers manually pull out #1 and #2 bottles and jugs.
What is left over at the end of the conveyor belt journey (#3-7 bottles, #1-7 tubs and trays, as well as non-numbered plastic containers) is disposed of as residue.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycwasteless/html/recycling/whathappens_sorting.shtml

Disposed of = paid to get rid of = avaiable for free to anybody who wants it.

(9) Posted by: Steve555 Date: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 9:05:53 AM
In reply to: jjsmith who wrote msg# 69037 Post # of 69059

Listen guys,
Get off the subject of feed stock for once and for all!

I have contracts for waste plastic,from hard plastic to dirty film, to be deliverd to my yard, I GET PAID between $80 and delivered free. The better the plastic the worse the price I get paid, if I agree to take the better material for free I can call the period of the contract which is between 3 to 5 years.
I would be more concerened with JBI's roll out timescale.

(10) "Do we must have to pay for plastic? No we don't. I have a contract for mixed plastics, free, for ten years and that is no big deal because I don't have any difficulty acquiring plastic. We are happy to receive dirty plastic (ie: mixed, composites, etc..)"

"80% of all plastic goes to landfill and that is the plastic we are acquiring -- NO ONE buys it now and it is expensive to discard. I don't want the other 0-20% of high quality, highly sorted, super clean plastic that some (few) pay for. The Chinese control that market and it is very cyclical."

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54994150

(11) REALITY ABOUT FREE HYDROCARBON PLASTIC:

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=54991141