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gym gravity

09/09/10 10:19 AM

#103810 RE: dewophile #103809

Wow, it seems a huge amount of HCV money moved into ZGEN and some of it, I am sure, has to do with a "zero sum" that exists for HCV in Wall Street. No doubt it came from IDIX sellers the day before.

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BTH

09/09/10 10:24 AM

#103811 RE: dewophile #103809

Why is it a "bad deal"??

Because it wasn't overly inflated like the irrational buyout deals of the past in bubbles? Take a look at today's market environment. They should consider themselves LUCKY.

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DewDiligence

09/09/10 12:06 PM

#103814 RE: dewophile #103809

we now have 2 prior DAA combos that have warts

There are three if you count GILD’s GS9190+GS9256 (#msg-52470566).
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iwfal

09/09/10 5:01 PM

#103862 RE: dewophile #103809

i'm curious what other long time holders like clark and tony think of the deal



I am pretty unhappy about it since it is a deal for a lot less than I put down as NPV (my analysis of last year is still, approximately, the same in aggregate. See: http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=35577868&txt2find=zgen ). And I think the board was 'captured' by too many reps of big holders. If I could fight it I would - but I take the Serenity Prayer seriously and accept that it is what it is. C'est la vie.


Of course the big 'loss' is the loss of compounding without taxes.

BTW - I would guess that a significant hunk of what happened is that the big shareholders significantly bought into the all-DAA, no-IFN paradigm and thus didn't value the company as much as BMY and ... . A risk in going against the consensus when you have 1 or 2 big conventional shareholders.
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DewDiligence

09/10/10 3:20 PM

#103911 RE: dewophile #103809

ZGEN/BMY—I would argue that you and some other ex-ZGEN longs have overvalued the Lambda program. This is not to say that Lambda per se is flawed, but rather that Lambda has some warts from a business standpoint that caused BMY and NVO to value the program at a lower (and IMO more realistic) level than some of the posters on this board.

First, Lambda is not the only interferon drug vying to supersede Pegasys and Pegintron in HCV.* Locteron, a Pegasys biosimilar, is further advanced than Lambda and is backed by the well-financed venture, Biolex. It’s likely that other Pegasys biosimilars will enter the market during the current decade, pressuring prices for all of the HCV interferons. In short, the notion that Lambda will usurp the sales now shared by Pegasys and Pegintron without a fight strikes me as naïve.

Moreover, the pricing of interferon drugs in the Age Of Telaprevir will have some problems. Many patients will need only 24 weeks of interferon, which is half as long as the current regimen for genotype-1 patients. However, the completed clinical trials from VRTX and MRK have conclusively shown that some patients (including most or all patients in the second-line setting) will continue to need 48 weeks of interferon when the regimen consists of only one direct antiviral. Since Lambda won’t be able to have separate price points for 24-week and 48-week regimens, it will presumably be priced at the (lower) per-dose level that assures reimbursement in 48-week regimens.

All told, even if you think all-oral regimens in HCV are a long way off, there is an array of pitfalls lurking in the Lambda program. When properly analyzed, the notion that BMY is substantially underpaying for ZGEN does not hold water.

*The market for Lambda in HBV has weak prospects for reasons I previously posted and does not warrant further discussion, IMO.