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lee kramer

02/06/05 8:29 AM

#355030 RE: bfenton #355028

Hi bfenton: Nope, there is a "simple" way to maintain SS benefits. I'm working with a congressman. But I doubt the Congress will pass the legislation; it makes too much sense.
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titan3

02/06/05 10:47 AM

#355038 RE: bfenton #355028

Opinions??:

washingtonpost.com <http://www.washingtonpost.com/>

Participants Would Forfeit Part of Accounts' Profits

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 3, 2005; Page A13

Under the White House Social Security plan, workers who opt to divert
some of their payroll taxes into individual accounts would ultimately
get to keep only the investment returns that exceed the rate of return
that the money would have accrued in the traditional system.

The mechanism, detailed by a senior administration official before
President Bush's State of the Union address, would hold down the cost of
Bush's plan to introduce personal accounts to the Social Security
system. But it could come as a surprise to lawmakers and voters who have
thought of these accounts as akin to an individual retirement account or
a 401(k) that they could use fully upon retirement.

"You'll be able to pass along the money that accumulates in your
personal account, if you wish, to your children . . . or grandchildren,"
Bush said last night. "And best of all, the money in the account is
yours, and the government can never take it away."

The plan is more complicated. Under the proposal, workers could invest
as much as 4 percent of their wages subject to Social Security taxation
in a limited assortment of stock, bond and mixed-investment funds. But
the government would keep and administer that money. Upon retirement,
workers would then be given any money that exceeded inflation-adjusted
gains over 3 percent.

That money would augment a guaranteed Social Security benefit that would
be reduced by a still-undetermined amount from the currently promised
benefit.

In effect, the accounts would work more like a loan from the government,
to be paid back upon retirement at an inflation-adjusted 3 percent
interest rate -- the interest the money would have earned if it had been
invested in Treasury bonds, said Peter R. Orszag, a Social Security
analyst at the Brookings Institution and a former Clinton White House
economist.

"I believe you should be able to set aside part of that money in your
own retirement account so you can build a nest egg for your own future,"
Bush said in his speech.

Orszag retorted: "It's not a nest egg. It's a loan."

Under the system, the gains may be minimal. The Social Security
Administration, in projecting benefits under a partially privatized
system, assumes a 4.6 percent rate of return above inflation. The
Congressional Budget Office, Capitol Hill's official scorekeeper,
assumes 3.3 percent gains.

If a worker sets aside $1,000 a year for 40 years, and earns 4 percent
annually on investments, the account would grow to $99,800 in today's
dollars, but the government would keep $78,700 -- or about 80 percent of
the account. The remainder, $21,100, would be the worker's.

With a 4.6 percent average gain over inflation, the government keeps
more than 70 percent. With the CBO's 3.3 percent rate, the worker is
left with nothing but the guaranteed benefit.

If instead, workers decide to stay in the traditional system, they would
receive the benefit that Social Security could pay out of payroll taxes
still flowing into the system, the official said. Which option would be
best is still unclear because the White House has yet to propose how
severely guaranteed benefits would be cut for those with individual
accounts.

The administration official explained that the "benefit offset" merely
ensures that those who choose personal accounts are not given an unfair
advantage over the traditional system.

"In return for the opportunity to get the benefits from the personal
account, the person forgoes a certain amount of benefits from the
traditional system," the official told reporters. "Basically, the net
effect on an individual's benefits would be zero if his personal account
earned a 3 percent real rate of return. To the extent that his personal
account gets a higher rate of return, his net benefit would increase."

Robert Pozen, a Massachusetts investment executive who served on the
president's Social Security Commission, said the mechanism makes sense.
Workers who draw money out of the Social Security system for their
accounts should have to pay that money back with interest.

But critics of the Bush plan said the proposed "claw back" renders the
whole idea of "personal retirement accounts" virtually meaningless.
Indeed, the system would ultimately look something like a proposal made
by President Bill Clinton, in which the government would have invested
Social Security taxes in the stock market.

That idea was criticized by conservatives because the federal government
could end up choosing winners and losers in the financial markets. But
under the Bush system, the government is still choosing the stocks and
bonds to be bought with Social Security money, said Jason Furman, a
former Clinton administration economist. Individuals would get a limited
choice, and the government would still keep most of the returns.

"They hope people will think they will take on these accounts and after
40 years, they'll have this huge windfall, but that won't happen," said
Dean Baker, co-director of the liberal Center for Economic and Policy
Research. "I think they're trying to confuse people."

Stephen Moore, a conservative supporter of Bush's Social Security
effort, said the mechanism would undermine the president's notion of an
"ownership society."

In a nod to lawmakers worried about the budget deficit, the White House
will also hold down the initial cost of the Social Security plan by
phasing it in over three years, beginning in 2009. The administration
official said funding the individual accounts would cost $754 billion
through 2015. But because of the phase-in, the personal-accounts system
would not be fully effective until 2011.

In its first 10 years, 2009 to 2018, the system would cost more than $1
trillion, Furman said. Between 2019 and 2028, the cost would jump to
about $3.5 trillion, he said.

(c) 2005 The Washington Post Company