You referenced someone elses post but it appears that you responded to mine anyway. As for AMDs Engineers. Well someone should have told someone that they were trying to do too much at once and at least had a backup plan of baby steps. As it is now they are very vulerable to mis-steps in the process. I bet they have no idea what kind of yields and bins they can get on Tbred-2. They will find out soon I suspect. Maybe it gets worse. I also suspect Ruiz is finding out all the dirty details of how the process Engineers just told Jerry what he wanted to hear. Reality is setting in at AMD.