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05/29/10 4:33 PM

#321387 RE: Stock Lobster #321385

That sounds very feasable, the only thing is it"s hard to see the placement and configuration of leaks like distances, sizes etc...
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05/29/10 5:34 PM

#321388 RE: Stock Lobster #321385

ZH>Oil Drilling Liability Cap Led To The Gulf Spill
Submitted by Econophile on 05/29/2010 14:44 -0500




From The Daily Capitalist

I never ever thought I would agree with Nancy Pelosi on anything, yet here it is:

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress should consider eliminating any cap on the damages a company such as BP Plc might have to pay for harm caused by oil spills.



“There is a movement afoot in Congress for that. Why have a cap?” Pelosi said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt” to air this weekend.



Pelosi had previously voiced support for a proposal under consideration to raise the existing $75 million cap to $10 billion for economic damages caused by each environmental disaster. After being thwarted March 13 in the Senate, backers of that legislation have vowed to renew efforts to win passage.



“You would hope that there would not be more than $10 billion of damage, but understand it is for each episode,” she said. Asked about eliminating the cap altogether, Pelosi said: “I think it’s worthy of looking at.”

I'm not against Big Oil, Little Oil, or anyone in the Oil Patch, but the liability cap is just another example of how industry uses the government to gain market advantages at the expense of someone else. In this case it is the Gulf Coast inhabitants and those that live off of that huge resource.

As I understand the law, BP is responsible to pay 100% of the cost of the clean-up. What the liability cap does is to cap economic damages to $75 million. What that means is if anyone suffers a loss of income or property as a result of a spill, BP is only obligated to pay $75 million even though the losses may be in the billions. That is not right.

Businesses seeking advantages from legislators is not news. While lobbying is often a proper and necessary response of business to legislation that would be harmful to them, it is a two-edged sword when they try to gain economic or competitive advantage. Our history is full of examples, most recently, tire import tariffs. While it is right to condemn business for this we should blame legislators who have the primary duty to act in the best interests of all the people. At least one could say that we understand that business is motivated by self-interest, but Congress is held to a higher ideal. While politicians preach this principle they rarely live up to it.

In free market capitalism, no one has a legal or a coercive advantage over anyone else. If I commit a civil wrong, in this case the tort of property damage and the resulting economic loss, I should be fully liable for it. That is, I should pay the cost. If I go broke, so be it. If I do something with willful, wanton disregard for safety I may be grossly negligent which may allow a court to impose punitive damages.

In my view, the liability cap was a major cause of this environmental disaster.

Assume for a minute that there was no liability cap in place. BP was engaged in very risky drilling activity that posed potentially huge losses if they acted negligently. Drilling at 5,000', I am informed, is not like drilling at 500'. Like all businesses, BP must weigh the potential risks against the potential gain of any enterprise. Like most businesses, they lay off as much risk as they can by buying insurance. If they didn't buy insurance then they weighed the risk against their assets and net worth.

I am going to guess here that the economic loss of the BP spill will be far more than the cost of the clean-up. I assume that is always the case or otherwise oil companies would not have sought a liability cap. When they evaluate the risk of such risky activity, then they know that whatever damage they cause, their liability will not exceed $75 million. That is a drop in the bucket for a company whose after-tax earnings were $6.1 billion in Q1.

Thus I believe that liability is a significant deterrent to companies involved in risky activities. Their response to such liability could be:

1. Determination to not undertake a risky project because of the potential liability.

This happens all the time in industry. Projects such as chemical plants, nuclear research, nuclear energy, may be too risky in light of the potential reward. It may be beyond the company's ability to respond in damages, thus risking the company's future. It may be impossible or prohibitively expensive to get insurance.

2. Determination to engage in the project but with added safety protocols.

This is certainly possible with a large company such as BP. They may evaluate the risk and decide they can safely undertake the project. Obviously this was BP's choice here. But they were negligent and they should pay all damages they cause. If they go broke, they understood the risks going in.

3. Determination to engage in the project but with additional insurance to cover potential losses.

If the project is undertaken because it is risky but determined to be within their ability to manage the risk but not to withstand damages, they could obtain insurance. If the insurance company determined that the risk was too high and refused coverage, the company would most likely decide to not undertake the project.

Insurance companies have a lot at stake because they bear much of the risk involved in such projects. They exercise great care by investigating their underwriting risk and require companies to satisfy many conditions related to safety. The breach of any policy safety condition may invalidate the insurance. Thus there are market forces that try to eliminate risky projects.

4. Determine to engage in the project but with no insurance or other risk-related safety protocols.

This would be foolish business behavior by any company. Assume rational players in the industry, the project would not be undertaken. Most oil companies have risk-reward protocols to minimize risk because, as public companies, no one would invest in them since risky projects would jeopardize investors' capital much less the future of their company.

I think it will be shown that BP was not only negligent, but perhaps grossly negligent and there is no way to punish them for their behavior. I understand that they may voluntarily agree to compensate people with economic losses. To not do so would effectively end any future drilling in U.S. waters or perhaps worldwide. But that was not a sufficient deterrent to prevent them from entering into such projects.

Let the lawyers have at them.


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HoosierHoagie

05/29/10 6:10 PM

#321389 RE: Stock Lobster #321385

It just makes sense Lobby...with the mandate to stop all drilling for Oil, They need the leak to continue so they can make the connection and still have the oil and gas...NOW.
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HoosierHoagie

05/29/10 6:29 PM

#321390 RE: Stock Lobster #321385

Day 40: BP 'top kill' still not stopping flow
Outside expert: Pressure from well is stronger than heavy mud


Jae C. Hong / AP
updated 1:40 p.m. CT, Sat., May 29, 2010

ROBERT, La. - BP said Saturday that its latest bid to plug the worst oil spill in U.S. history still hadn't worked and outside experts suggested any progress was incremental at best.

BP PLC chief operating officer Doug Suttles told reporters in Grand Isle, Louisiana, that the effort known as a "top kill" has not stopped the flow of oil, and that he doesn't know if the risky maneuver will succeed. He said the company was already preparing its next option to cap the well.

A live feed of the leak showed preparations Saturday morning for BP's next step. An underwater robot gripped a saw near the bent and leaking pipe atop a failed blowout preventer, where BP aims to slice off the pipe and place a cap and seal over the opening.

That operation is known as the lower marine riser package cap, and Suttles confirmed that BP had been preparing for that step "all along."

"If we have to go to it, we can do it as quickly as possible," he said.

BP has said previously the company was "planning in parallel," or getting ready for other options while working on the top kill — the injection of heavy fluid and materials to plug the well.

While Suttles acknowledged that the amount of oil spewing from the leak has not changed, he did not go so far as to say the top kill has failed. "We've said all along this may or may not be successful," Suttles said.

The disaster entered its 40th day on Saturday with Gulf Coast residents clinging to the tenuous hope that BP's complicated "top kill" operation will plug the gushing well.

The tricky maneuver started on Wednesday. BP had said repeatedly that it needed another 24 to 48 hours to know whether it would succeed, but backed off of giving time estimates on Saturday.

Engineers may not know until at least Sunday if the fix is successful, and progress was difficult to measure from BP's "spillcam" of mud, gas and oil billowing from the seafloor. Americans have been hypnotized as they watched for any sign of success.

Watching for black, white, brown
Scientists say the images may offer clues to whether BP is getting the upper hand in its struggle to contain the oil, said Tony Wood, director of the National Spill Control School at Texas A&M University in Corpus Christi. If the stuff coming out of the pipe is jet black, it is mostly oil and BP is losing. If it is whitish, it is mostly gas and BP is also losing.

If it is muddy brown, as it was much of Friday, that may be a sign that BP is starting to win, he said. That "may in fact mean that there's mud coming up and mud coming down as well," which is better than oil coming out, Wood said.

The company, however, has cautioned that it's difficult to gauge progress from the choppy video 5,000 feet undersea. Officials also have warned people not to read too much into any changes they might see on the live video feed, saying it also is not indicative of overall progress.

Philip Johnson, an engineering professor at the University of Alabama, said the camera appeared to show mostly drilling mud leaking from the well Friday morning, and two of the leaks appeared a little smaller than in the past, suggesting the top kill "may have had a slight but not dramatic effect."

But Bob Bea, a professor of engineering at University of California at Berkeley who has studied offshore drilling for 55 years, said late Friday that what he saw didn't look promising.

He likened the effort to pushing food into a reluctant baby's mouth — it only works if the force of the stuff going down is more than the force of what's coming up.

"It's obvious that the baby's spitting the baby food back" because the pressure from the well is stronger, Bea said.


The top kill operation began Wednesday, with BP pumping heavy drilling mud into the blown-out well in an effort to choke off the source of the spill which has released far more than the 1989 Exxon Valdez disaster did off the Alaska coast. Even in the best-case scenario under by the government's estimate, at least 18 million gallons has leaked so far. The worst case could exceed 40 million gallons of oil.

BP has brought in about 2.5 million gallons of drilling mud for the top kill. BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles said Friday the procedure was going basically as planned. The pumping has stopped several times, but he said that was not unusual.

He said the company has also shot in assorted junk, including metal pieces and rubber balls, which seemed to be helping to counter pressure from the well.

A top kill has never been attempted 5,000 feet underwater, and public fascination is high.

BP, under pressure from Congress, made available a live video feed of what is going on underwater.

PBS' "Newshour" converted the video feed to make it work on most Web browsers and has made that available for free. More than 3,000 websites have linked to it. On Thursday alone, more than one million people watched the video through that PBS feed, said Anne Bell, the show's spokeswoman. Subscribers to the "Newshour" channel on YouTube doubled in 24 hours, she said.

Many found it hypnotic.

"It made me wonder how I use energy and if this situation could teach us how much energy we use ourselves," said Jeb Banner, 38, a web design and marketing company owner in Indianapolis who has been looking at the feed every hour or so since before the top kill started. "It felt like a historic moment."

BP says the best way to stop the oil for good is a relief well, but it won't be complete until August.

Concocting revenge fantasies has become a popular sport.

A Louisiana resident suggested in a letter to the Times Picayune newspaper that BP executives be tarred in spilled oil, rolled in blackened pelican feathers and sent to the guillotine so their severed heads could be used in a "junk shot" to clog the well.

The creators of the "B-Pee Day" Facebook page urged readers to urinate on BP gas stations, declaring "They leaked on us, it's time to take a leak on them."


The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37413783/ns/gulf_oil_spill/
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Tuff-Stuff

05/30/10 5:11 AM

#321443 RE: Stock Lobster #321385

oildrum<>The LMRP Attempt, the "Press Conference," and a Live Open Thread

Posted by Gail the Actuary on May 29, 2010 - 7:30pm
Topic: Environment/Sustainability
Tags: deepwater horizon, lmrp, lower marine riser package, oil spill [list all tags]

BP is now saying that its Top Kill approach has failed, and it is moving on to LMRP. A few comments from the press:

Top Kill Fails To Plug Oil Spill, BP Now To Try LMRP Cap

BP is now saying that its Top Kill approach has failed, and it is moving on to LMRP. A few comments from the press:

Top Kill Fails To Plug Oil Spill, BP Now To Try LMRP Cap

BP said preparations have been made for the possible deployment of the lower marine riser package (LMRP) cap containment system, which would be complex because of the depth of the oil leak.

Deployment would first involve removing the damaged riser from the top of the failed BOP to leave a cleanly-cut pipe at the top of the BOP's LMRP.

The cap, a containment device with a sealing grommet, will be connected to a riser from the Discoverer Enterprise drillship, 5,000 feet above on the surface, and placed over the LMRP with the intention of capturing most of the oil and gas flowing from the well.

Mr Suttles said it should capture "most of the oil" and was expected to last at least four days but "we cannot guarantee success at this time."

Under the fold (click "there's more"), I talk a bit about the Lower Marine Riser Package (LMRP) and what we know at this point. Please elaborate other facts in the comments.

(PG here, and following Gail's post below are HO's thoughts on the press conference...)

>>>This is a diagram that Heading Out posted a few days ago, of the LMRP.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6523



The Lower Marine Riser Package (LMRP) option

According to Upstream Online:

If the top kill does not work, the UK supermajor plans to cut off the riser from the lower marine riser package (LMRP) and attach another to collect the flow.

The device would be coupled to a flex joint above the LMRP with a sealing grommet to keep water out of the flow and control gas hydrate formation.

The cap also has valves to inject methanol or hot water into the production stream.

BP has already lowered the LMRP cap to the seafloor so it could be deployed immediately after a failed top kill.

Installing the cap would take about four days, Suttles said, and it could be in place early next week.

The LMRP cap would allow BP to capture as much of the flow from the well as possible while it works on other options to kill the well, he said.

He announced Wednesday that BP preferred option in that instance would be to add a second BOP on top of the first.

Heading Out's Thoughts on the Press Conference

BP and Admiral Landry just held a Press Conference in which they said that, based on a decision 90 minutes ago, by the “best and brightest minds” that it was time to move on the next option, the Lower Marine Riser Package (LMRP). BP was unable to block sufficient flow out of the well to make the injection of cement possible, and thus to kill the well. They had made, I believe he said, three attempts to inject material (the junk shots) without being able to get that material to block the passages through the Blow-Out Preventer (BOP). (Unfortunately I missed a large part of his opening remarks, and thus have only the question response to go on at present.) The volume of mud used did not appear to have changed from earlier reports at some 30,000 barrels.

Mr Suttles said that they had given the technique every chance, but could not get it to start to provide an effective seal. They had, however, determined that the majority of the pressure restrictions to the flow of oil was coming from some resistance within the well itself, and from the BOP. Since the riser above the BOP was not contributing much to the resistance, and thus to control of the oil flow, the next plan is to remove it, using a band saw device (of which pictures will be available) and then to lower the LMRP onto the existing BOP. They intend to cut the surface flat that the LMRP will sit on, so that it will give a good, but not perfect, seal. Thus there will be some leakage around the joint, and they will monitor that and use dispersant as appropriate.

The new change should take somewhere between 4 and 7 days to implement. The assembly, which has been constructed, is not the Top Hat assembly built earlier, to fit on the bottom of a riser. Flow of oil from the LMRP will rise up a 6 7/8 inch drill pipe within the riser (the same size as the one currently fitted to the RIT). The riser will also carry hot water down to the LMRP to protect against the formation of hydrates.

He noted that their inability to stop the well “scares everybody” but is reasonably confident (no success percentage estimates) that this will collect the majority of the oil and gas. Because they do not know the flow path of the oil below the seabed, it is difficult to estimate what is actually going on in terms of oil path below the BOP. Thus they are, again, trying something that has never been done before, but expect, based on the RIT, that it will work.

On being asked about the cleanup of the dispersed oil – he pointed out that the reason that the dispersant was used was to break the oil into small droplets. These are small enough to be consumed by the microbes in the sea, and thus there is no plan to do other than let nature take its course. For the oil on the surface, they are getting better at spotting oil pools and sending skimmers to deal with them.

The Admiral drew attention to the article on Hurricanes and the Oil Spill which is available at the Unified Command Web site.

The relief well is about half-way through the rock it must drill (about 6,000 ft below sea level) but progress will slow as the well deepens. A diagram of the LMRP is as shown above by Gail, from one of my previous posts.


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