Replies to post #96710 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[GEO928]

wall_rus....maybe I'll respond with a couple of shorter posts....

first....you wrote:

True enough, but without defending the former, what would you call the movement of wealth to the rich?

I believe there is no "movement of wealth to the rich"....because "wealth" is the realization of a potential....wealth is generated....or, existing money (which is the manifestation of wealth) is stolen or legally usurped....

money, in and of itself, is not wealth because the intrinsic market determines the value of the dollar....if there was no intrinsic economy, how would you determine the value of a piece of paper with a picture of George Washington on it?

it is very common in conversation to equate money to absolute "wealth".....and, in conversation, that's ok....

but, "movement of wealth to the rich" carries an implication of a transferrence of money from people in the lower income groups to peoplein the higher income brackets....

i don't think that's the case....i think you're misreading events (and the misread was intentionally caused by political forces) insofar as the focus has been on Wall Street....

and, the "street", thru the use of derivatives and via the computerized international network has generated an inordinate amount of dollars....which those in the Obama camp like to vilify as "the wealth"....

tell us about that "wealth" when hyper-inflation sets in.....

again....it's not "wealth"....it's the disruptive generation of US dollars

[GEO928]

wall_rus.....

Where we disagree is that Socialism isn't the enemy...it's Fascism (see above Ron Paul link)

Socialism is the enemy because it is an interim step towards communism....

the danger which I believe you do not fully appreciate lies in your statement: (I added the bold)

the super rich, the power elites, the true rulers don't give a damn about parties and ideals. They want CONTROL. And that control will come about thru Fascism

the magic word is control....the question is HOW to control? the power elites you mention....or, people like Ron Paul or yourself may think Fascism is the best route.....but, I can't buy that....here's why....

just as socialism is rooted in marxist/communist doctrine, the corporation is rooted in free enterprise/capitalism....moreover, the corporate world has to be divided into two sectors....resources and consumer

those who wish to control will hit a "tipping point" when they try to tightly control the corporation...it's easier to do with resources; but, consumer goods is much more difficult....they'll "shoot themselves in the foot", so to speak... because the longevity of the state is predicated upon appeasement of the masses...(get rid of the masses and you have no labor market)

Facism is a Mussolini's spin on socialism.....vilifying corporate capitalism and extolling the virtues of the "corporate state"....that's an accident waiting to happen....

you can't build a long term successful Fascist/corporate state because the roles of government and corporate power are divergent......the corporate state is a contridiction in terms....kinda like "military 'intelligence'"