Bobby joe ,I have read your posts on SFMI site and appreciate your input. Its sounds like Downsideup IS HERE ,under a different,less sophisticated bantor.Thats OK .The mine will do well with or without .I did have a conversation with PQ once about a year ago and gathered the reason for two companies and some confusion about who owns who or who owns what is mainly to keep speculators with deep pockets from actually taking control of something he and his associates do not want to lose control of in any way.Its obviously a bit more elaborate than that but it is very true that nanocap stocks like these can have this sort of effect on speculators.