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jbennett53

08/17/02 1:09 PM

#16558 RE: Zeev Hed #16545

Zeev, I hope we can have a friendly disagreement but possibly arrive somewhere close to the middle of our opposing positions? I made a few statements for the sake of generating discussion, you disagreed with my ideas. My opinion is that the markets should be a way for business to raise capital to fund operations for totally new ideas or expand current operations. The markets have become too much like Las Vegas and what is occuring is not good for the health of our country. I do not agree with taxing dividends but if one was to change that law I feel one would drive money towards companies which have good earnings and away from developement stage companies that may not have earnings for several years. Good luck and thanks for your thoughts!

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ardent jd

08/17/02 3:26 PM

#16570 RE: Zeev Hed #16545

Zeev

How about eliminating corporate taxes altogether? Since retained earnings must ultimately flow to shareholders, corporate taxes amount to double taxation, whether they are returned via dividends, share buybacks, or capital gains. This double tax is born by all stakeholders of the corporation - customers, employees, and stockholders - so the negative effects are very widely dispersed. Eliminating the corporate tax would also ease the distortions that you speak of, such as encouraging the use of debt, as well as the overuse of options and myriad others. Dividends and capital gains should be taxed at the individual level as ordinary income. ( Like you, I believe that capital should flow freely, and the government should not be in the business of encouraging any economic behavior, even when it is for "good" things, like savings or investment.) Simple and fair, don't you think?

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mlsoft

08/17/02 3:32 PM

#16571 RE: Zeev Hed #16545

"jbennet, I disagree with you. Using taxation to "direct" the market to what is "conceived" to be beneficial (who decides, how do they know?), interferes with free market forces"
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Zeev.....

Targeted taxation to influence taxpayer behaviour is always a bad idea, in my opinion. The very basis of such a notion is the liberal thesis that the government (political elite) always knows what goals are "good" and what behavior best advances the nation toward those goals. History refutes such a theory as ludicrous, and it takes only a brief study of the clowns that populate the three branches of our government (not to mention the incompetent bureaucracy) to totally dismiss any high view of government as invalid. Unintended consequenses of their promulgations are rarely considered, and when they are encountered in real life, a blizzard of conflicting and ill-considered rules and "interpretations" invariably result.

Who is to say that long term investments are inherently more efficient or beneficial to society than short term investments? I remember all the arguments from studying Econ, but in the real world those arguments fall apart, in my opinion. I have long advocated a flat tax on everything and everyone - no loopholes, no exemptions. Aside from a catastrophic initial effect on the government bureaucracy, the accounting and legal professions, and those living off of the largesse of the current system (remember the recent Farm Bill), I see little downside and a lot of upside to such a move to replace our incredibly incomprehensible tax codes.

Just my opinion, though.

mlsoft