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Joe Stocks

11/11/04 9:21 PM

#321433 RE: Zeev Hed #321431

Zeev, Are you figuring the MSFT dividend into that 100 point drop? It is my opinion that the market is not discounting for this extraordinary event. The dividend alone is more than the market cap of HON or just about 15% less than the market cap of MCD. MSFT will lose 10% of it's market cap over the weekend more than likely. It is also possible that we see a rush to the door as many start to realize that MSFT's book value just lost almopst 40% of it's value. This could get interesting. Sure the money will be reinvested but probably not into anything that would affect the indexes like MSFT.

I would like to see more discussion on this MSFT thing and would appreciate any comments. I am thinking about taking a sizeable leap position out tomorrow as I think MSFT over the next year could easily work it's way down to historical price to book levels over the next year.
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Ace Hanlon

11/11/04 10:14 PM

#321436 RE: Zeev Hed #321431

Russell Russell Says......................

As a market rises as it has been doing, the market is moving ever-closer to an ultimate top that lies somewhere ahead. On that reasoning, as a market rises, investors "should" be increasingly interested in protecting themselves, meaning buying puts. But the opposite usually holds true. What usually happens is that as the market climbs higher, instead of becoming more cautious investors tend to become increasingly bullish and confident.

When you divide the S&P by the VIX, you get a measure of confidence in relation to the market. A rising stock market accompanied by a rising S&P/VIX ratio means that investors are becoming increasingly confident in that they need less and less protection in terms of puts. Yesterday, the S&P/VIX ratio rose to 88.91, one of its highest levels in history. In fact, this level has only been higher for a few days during August of 2000.

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Bignuts

11/11/04 10:41 PM

#321437 RE: Zeev Hed #321431

100 NAS points...dream on...dip buyers every where...minor pullbacks of 20 or so points...that is all...

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TREND1

11/12/04 12:15 AM

#321456 RE: Zeev Hed #321431

Zeev You wrote
"I probably will have a sell signal sometime tomorrow"

Comment:
Hope you let us know !


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Justa Werkenstiff

11/12/04 7:09 AM

#321479 RE: Zeev Hed #321431

Z: Interesting. Here are my thoughts:

Market: At the close yeserday, some weekly sells hit on Ndx and Naz. They have been hitting all week intraday. So this is a better signal. So that points to a top along with other indicators (topping indicator) in the Naz and Ndx in the coming week.

Yet these same weekly indicators have more room to run in the SPX and OEX.I have indicators that suggest that the downside is limited in the SPX and OEX for the coming week and that chop, pop and slop is more likely with SPX 1160 serving as a magnet from above and below. So this limits any decline in the Nasdaq and Ndx for now unless the averages diverge. With that in mind and next week being opex, my favored scenario here is to break out the crack pipe. Get out the bong. Get a six pack of Ducco modeling glue. Time to feel the love. If we hang in the area of the highs, I expect more and more bullish extremes to develop. If that happens, we could be looking at an intermediate top on the other side of opex.

As for today, I think we have some down. We could give back all of yesterday at the most. Other than that, it is hard for me to quantify.


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Justa Werkenstiff

11/12/04 2:50 PM

#321858 RE: Zeev Hed #321431

Z: Re: "I probably will have a sell signal sometime tomorrow (namely more than 100 Naz points drop)>"

Where does that stand here?