Who do you think installs the systems? or maintains them? Ask the company how many employees they still have...that aren't salaried estimators or carring some other company title. Sars has R.J. Powers in (Springfield)left still showing a profit. Like T.A.Brinkoetter was when it was aquired by this corp. AND Associated Mechanical (in Peoria)has 1 employee working billable hours after they refused to pay Union benifits and all the jobs they had were lost...Do you think I would go to the trouble to give all these details for some unethical reason? lol Ethics aren't a problem I have to worry about to sleep at night.