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12/15/09 11:11 AM

#87797 RE: ed_ferrari #87796

I've read it. Maybe you can point out something specific that you would like to be educated on as you seem incapable of understanding what happened on 9-11.

There is a book out that refutes your site and is far more informative should you actually want to understand.

http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/de9de.html


Now if you continue I will ask some questions of you to make sure that I'm dealing with someone capable of critical thinking.
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woofer

12/15/09 2:34 PM

#87819 RE: ed_ferrari #87796

Here - read through this site and learn something about how things work in the real world...

http://www.debunking911.com/


Here's an email I sent to the owner of that site recently.

[Note: his email address is debunk911@hotmail.com]
My subject line was:
I'm a flaming liberal too...so we have something in common
[Note: He states that he's a flaming liberal on one of the site's pages]
My words:
I post about 9/11 on a stock trading website, and when people use something from your site, I shudder. Want to know why? Because your website has such a professional feel about it, but far too much of the content is incredibly misleading and in some cases, flat out wrong. I haven't read anything lately, but I am going to assume that you cleaned up some of your errors from the past. [Note: he has cleaned up some things] I did read this [see below] and now I'm thinking that you are in complete denial. Read the words you put in bold print, and read them again and again. Maybe you don't understand why he's questioning what he saw with his own eyes. He's like you. He doesn't want to believe it, but at least he's contemplating believing what he thought he saw. Why do you think Evangelista called him a few days later? For idle chit-chat?

And what you accused others of doing (leaving out the entire quote), you did as well. At the end, you left this out, the most telling part of all....

But it's just strange that two people sort of say the same thing and neither one of us talked to each other about it. I mean, I don't know this guy from a hole in the wall. I was just standing next to him. i never met the man before in my lite. He knew who was I guess by my name on my coat and he called me



GREGORY



up, you know, how are you doing? How's everything? And, oh, by the way did you... It was just a little strange.

==========================Here's what you quoted.

Q. On the television pictures it appeared as well, before the first collapse, that there was an explosion up on the upper floors.

A. I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes. I don't know how far down this was already. I mean, we had heard the noise but, you know, I don't know.





“I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

Now the WHOLE QUOTE without the taking out of context...

I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-leve] flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q.: Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?

A: No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.

I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC
/Gregory_Stephen.txt

Well, that's all I have to say. I suppose some flaming liberals are more honest with themselves than others.

Wendy