Replies to post #78892 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[ergo sum]

I already have a bunch of people who decide when and where I can see a doctor. So do you I am sure.

[seabass]

>>>What do you want in healthcare? Govt deciding when and where you can see which doctor? Good luck.<<<

What health care plan is that? The one cooked up by the republican party for propaganda purposes I suspect. I talk to canadians and western europeans on a regular basis and I have yet to hear one of them willing to trade their health care system for ours. According to them, the US republican party complains more about their system than they do. They tell me they have plenty of choices of doctors they can see, the endless delays for surgeries we are told about here are nothing but myths and the quality of care is excellent. And.........it's available to ALL their citizens regardless of employment status or financial status. Maybe that's why we don't even make the top 20 in world life expectancy and rank an embarrassing 35th. in infant mortality. So much for the best health care in the world.

http://www.aneki.com/expectancy.html

http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/ranking_Infant_Mortality_Rate_aall.htm

[brainlessone]

current health care costs are almost entirely increased by:

1) structural changes: new tests and procedures and drugs, maybe ten percent

2) overhead : cost of corporate structure to HMO, PPO , hospital admin, care regulators, dRG consultants, malpractice, insurance admin, maybe 40%

of the dollar you spend, probably 80% is spent within a hospital, not as outpatients

health care is now a corporate entity , like steel production. the media in 1970 and 1980 wged war on helath care and destroyed it. the big boys recognized it as a profit center that was controlled by individuals , so they social engineered it to get a piece

now for every health care dollar you spend maybe 50% goes to your health.

the site ergo mentioned a while back tries to address this in a very positive way, and kerry probably "might" do something about it.

But once corporatized, there is almost no going back. the "liberal" media, always going against what the curent policiy is, gave you this wonderful change by pounding on physicians and running story after story on fraud, waste, physician undersupply, no regulation of physicians blah blah