I'll quit my whining....:-) I do have problems with patience. I'm use to flipping stocks every couple weeks but never had much success with pennies but they intrique me. I have never made money playing pennies. Seems like I always pick the wrong ones or the moment I buy them they go red where generally if usually play stock thats moving and do the swing trade thing... however I realize I can't make any real money this way... or at least the kind of money I'm looking to make.... I apologize...