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jdaasoc

07/23/02 7:45 PM

#7234 RE: Zeev Hed #7229

BS we are being misled. No way trin was near 1.
Declining volume and declining issues trailed 5/1

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NYSE AMEX Nasdaq Bulletin Board

Advancing Issues 574 178 809 512
Declining Issues 2,734 614 2,756 861
Unchanged Issues 142 3 5 527
Total Issues 3,450 795 3,570 1,900
New Highs 12 9 13 21
New Lows 728 180 428 124

Up Volume 469,031,488 4,735,160 741,666,496 97,984,832
Down Volume 1,948,296,320 321,782,528 1,835,001,472 292,127,520
Unchanged Volume 18,371,910 2,260,300 23,788,882 94,774,896
Total Volume 2,414,808,064 328,777,984 2,600,456,704 484,887,232












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ted w

07/23/02 8:58 PM

#7251 RE: Zeev Hed #7229

Zeev- I agree with you that WCOM(fill in the letters of the week here) is distorting the nasdaq trin. Today, it was "only" about 10% of the total trading volume, but since it went up 14% (2 cents!!), it had to be screwing up almost every indicator there is, except those that just count stocks up vs. down. It has been that way since the scandal broke and I think they really should either be delisted, or have a reverse 100:1 stock split to restore balance to their trading volume and its effect on the indicators everyone uses to gauge market direction.

In another vein, and this is really the point of this post, I've been closely watching the unusual trading activity of a couple of my small cap favorites, one of which I'm sure you've heard of- PANL, over that past few days. The trading has been very peculiar, in that the price will lock at a certain point and 10's of thousands of shares will trade at the ask without the price moving a penny. Then it will ratchet down and repeat the process. Today it really got pasted, but the shares seemed to run out towards the end of the day and there was some recovery. The trading volume has been 4 to 5 times normal. This behavior appears to me to be possibly the liquidation of the holdings of one or more funds. I am thinking that the cause is something we haven't seen in a long time- redemptions by the public of their fund positions and the need for the funds to raise cash to give back to those sellers of their funds shares. As you already know, the funds are supposed to be short of cash, and we have had truly large redemptions the past 2 weeks. I believe it was 13 billion 2 weeks ago and 18 last week(I may have gotten these figures totally wrong, but the point is the same). Depending on the average share price you care to use, that works out to a couple of billion shares that needed to be dumped at almost any price to get the required $$.
An associated observation that startled me, was that on island's top 100 list of percent losers today, where I expected to find both my PANL and ENER holdings, you had to have a loss of OVER 18% to make the list!!! It was no consolation to me that they weren't there. It looks to me like the small caps are really getting whacked. Also note that fully 20% of the NYSE issues and 12% of Nasdaq issues hit new lows today.
Now, this should be encouraging signs for the formation of a bottom, but I am very concerned that the "new" effect of money leaving funds instead of the steady influx will snowball as the public gets more and more scared. We have more people invested that ever before in the market through their retirement accounts and if they continue to increase their withdrawals from stock funds to put the money somewhere it won't disappear, we could be in for a really rough ride, that might preclude any rally based on valuations or bottoming indicators.
Do your turnips take this particular effect into account in their modeling of market behavior?
Thanks for the thoughts,
-Ted

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nancy2

07/23/02 9:46 PM

#7267 RE: Zeev Hed #7229

zeev,

when both the ratios of declining issues/advancing issues, and declining volumes/advancing volumes are similar, the trin would be near 1.

you would be surprised to know sept 17 - 21 week, despite huge sell-off, there was not a single day the trin was above 1.5

in fact, they were 1.37, 1.13, 0.91, 1.2 and 0.70 respectively.


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nancy2

07/23/02 9:48 PM

#7269 RE: Zeev Hed #7229

zeev,

when both the ratios of declining issues/advancing issues, and declining volumes/advancing volumes are similar, the trin would be near 1.

you would be surprised to know sept 17 - 21 week, despite huge sell-off, there was not a single day the trin was above 1.5

in fact, they were 1.37, 1.13, 0.91, 1.2 and 0.70 respectively.