Replies to post #84874 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[tinner]

The Reps. must be in even more trouble here in MO.

When they get into trouble they always always bring out the God, Guns and Abortion fear and they are at it again. Just got this today. They are desperate again. LOL



Dear James,

In the past 24 hours, TWO separate ballot initiatives that would allow unprecedented government intrusion between women and their doctors were approved for circulation. See the Monthly Monitor below for more details (if you are not already, click here to become a regular Monthly Monitor subscriber.)



As Planned Parenthood supporters and our best volunteers, we wanted to make sure you were aware of these EXTREME initiatives. We will continue to update you as these initiatives work their way through the process. If you see anyone trying to gather petition signatures on these initiatives please contact us immediately.



Thanks
Pamela Merritt
Statewide E-Organizer
Planned Parenthood affiliates in Missouri






Monthly MONITOR


October 21, 2009

Contact: Michelle Trupiano – 573.424.8717 (cell)



BREAKING NEWS: Two different extremist groups have filed ballot measures to ban abortions and much more!

The first initiative, filed by Missouri Roundtable for Life, attempts to ban abortions in public hospitals even when a woman’s life is at risk or in cases of rape and incest. This measure is too extreme for Missouri!



The second initiative, filed by Gregory Thompson and Personhood Missouri, would not only ban common forms of contraception, YES, we said CONTRACEPTION, but would also ban treatments for cancer, life-threatening pregnancies and infertility and ban ALL abortions even in cases of rape, incest or when a woman’s life is in danger. Talk about government intrusion at its worst.



Missouri already has some of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country, and does not need the government coming between women and their doctors. If the supporters of these measures were serious about reducing the need for abortions they would join us in putting prevention first and focus on reducing unintended pregnancies by providing comprehensive sex education and increasing access to contraception and other family planning services.



Click here to see our statement on the measures.



Time To Deliver: Real Reform Includes Women’s Health Care

While Planned Parenthood in Missouri is prepared to fight back against these dangerous ballot measures, we continue to fight forward on health care reform. Women must not be worse off after health care reform than they are now. That means we need commonsense proposals that give women access to reproductive health care and the opportunity to go to their provider of choice. Planned Parenthood activists participated in the October 20th National Day of Action to encourage Members of Congress to support health care reform. Activists showed their support by waving signs on street corners and volunteering at phone banks as part of the nationwide effort to ensure women’s health is a priority in health care reform. Planned Parenthood supporters have logged 19,287 (and counting) calls to Congress urging Members to protect women's health in reform.



Sex Education

As if overhauling the health care system is not complex enough, Senator Hatch (R-UT) decides to throw SEX into the mix.



Sex education that is, well, really abstinence-only sex education. After failing to add several abortion restriction amendments to the Senate Finance Committee health care reform bill, Senator Hatch managed to attach a provision to extend the Title V abstinence-only program. This prompted the committee Chairman, Senator Baucus (D-MT) to add an alternate amendment creating a new comprehensive sex education program. The Chairman acknowledged the conflicting programs and we are working to strip out Senator Hatch’s abstinence-only provision before a final bill goes to the President later this year.

[omegahpla]

That isn't a fact, that's a political argument as so many others stated as fact, when it's not a fact it's a half truth, it's deceptive, so it's not true.

Do you think just talking to people gets a strait answer? Just out of the goodness of their heart? What do you suppose the ratio is on strait interview to lie, as opposed to water boarding, and a lie?

Duress as opposed to relief. Pleasure as opposed to pain. Fear as opposed to security. Those natural motivations inspire talking. The realization that a lie brings on a bad result and the bad side of those the possibility inspires real information to be given.

Sure, the democrats have been building a case that water boarding is torture though they never had a problem with it before when they knew all about it.

Now, oh, it's "torture" so they can make a case that Bush was "torturing". Of course they leave out knowing all about it, lies in denial of knowing about it, which was challenge by Leon Paneta, a long time inside democrat. And leaving out that our allies do it and we never complained, and we don't condemn them. Most importantly, that Obama sends out prisoners for "rendition" in which countries go way beyond water boarding.

Now they have pushed this "they give the wrong information" thing, to the point the sheep think they always get the wrong information. That is not true.

"Oh it's not effective" As opposed to what form of interrogation that gets better results?

Let me let you in on a little secret. The interrogators working for agencies who demand the best results WOULD NOT DO IT IF IT WERE NOT EFFECTIVE. They would do what was effective. They know what is and what is not effective within allowed parameters, more than any group of people in the world.

Why does Obama have a policy of sending out prisoners for real torture, and call it rendition? BECAUSE THAT WORKS EVEN BETTER. Nothing is not 100%, nothing is, but it's the highest % and to say it's less effective? It's not true. 20% on average is a high level of effectiveness in any interrogation, but ratio's go up with time and more interrogations.

Of course there is no average that can be depended on, every case is different and situation plus the individual interrogated determine how probable it is to get good information.

Opiates and psychoactive drugs work well, but that is much worse to me than waterboarding as psychoactive drugs leave long term effects. Opiates can lead to dependency. We don't do it in the US ... Obama has a policy of sending it out. That is so morally superior, right?

Just another Obama shell game.