you know maybe i missed the boat here. overall you have effected change on the way i am looking at this. perhaps in the long run this may be a winner. what upsets me is the billion plus shares. i just think issues trade at so many times earnings once they get past the speculative phase. i more or less sold out over two cents and briefly came back and traded here a few times for a few bucks. i was looking to get back in at 0025-0044 but perhaps i have misjudged this one. you raise some very good numbers and points and i will cease and desist my bashing