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SRV-90

08/30/09 1:37 PM

#178803 RE: no_BS_plz #178798

In summary: I get paid quite a hefty fee in schooling others the way I continue to do you, so I may soon need a name and address to send you a bill if your nonsense posts continue


Fantastic No_bs, absolutely brilliant
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Jim54

08/30/09 1:41 PM

#178806 RE: no_BS_plz #178798

I cannot WAIT to see your analysis of the 10K.
And you can PM me your bill. I will be able to pay it.
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pj333

08/30/09 1:48 PM

#178812 RE: no_BS_plz #178798

No_BS, I'm afraid I'll owe you part of that bill myself, since I've learned a lot of valuable info from your reponses to H.H. I'm in the back of the class, but my attendance is perfect.
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bldshy

08/30/09 2:00 PM

#178820 RE: no_BS_plz #178798

Owned....I only had to read a bit of it, to know Sykes just got his ankles busted by a No-BS crossover.

Again, I hope we SPNG'ers here on board realize we have a pretty nice additional bonus of a shareholder who does this for a living...and with this particular 10K being a huge part of SPNG's history and a watershed moment, I personally am grateful for your experience and knowledge in these matters. Not to mention, I am sure you won't sugarcoat the results you come across, if there are any that aren't completely glowing.

If you truly are going to give your analysis on the 10K, I would not only love to hear your thoughts, but will buy you several rounds at whichever SPNG party/cruise is attended.
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thickskip

08/30/09 2:13 PM

#178824 RE: no_BS_plz #178798

I also am a small but long shareholder (you can add my 147,000 to the list)can not thank no-bs for the lessons and easing of my mind enough. With the multitude of bashers on this board (i think last count 25-30)it was really comforting to have no-bs rebunking everyone of their contrived theories and BS.I know we all shall feel an obligation of debt to MR-No-BS and I would'nt mind meeting him some day down the road and buying him lunch a drink or two or whatever and saying THANK-YOU!!!!
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hawkmd

08/30/09 2:18 PM

#178827 RE: no_BS_plz #178798

Brilliant!. Your students should be really proud of you. An excellent and intellectual response. I really enjoy every time I cross with those type of answers. I dont post often but SPNG will change the life of so many shareholders. Tomorrow everybody will see how great this company is. Time will tell
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Smallville

08/30/09 7:11 PM

#178985 RE: no_BS_plz #178798

Yes, Sykes. You've been served MF (my friend)! :)
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harvard homeboy

08/31/09 6:36 PM

#180380 RE: no_BS_plz #178798

no BS plz,


Your answer is wrong. Here's the correct answer and how to derive it.

Start with cash flow from operations for the nine months ending Feb 28 2009, which according to the statement was ($170,017).

Next, back out what the company tells you are the non-operating cash flows from the statement of cash flows from operations. I know that seems like a non-sequitur, however, the mere fact that Spongetech incorporates non-operating cash flows into its operating cash flow statement ought to be a major red flag in and of itself, but that's another discussion that you and I don't need to have.

However, if you look at the statement, the company **tells you** that they've included non-operating sources of cash flow for the reporting period -- in this case, the proceeds from the sale of stock amounting to $9,722,405 which are a financing cash flow instead. So you have to back that out of the statement of cash flows from operations to have a rough proxy for operating cash flow -- or (179,017) + (9,722,405) = ($9,901,422).

That's a rough proxy for how much cash SPNG took to the bank (or, if a negative number like the above, it shows how much cash was consumed from various sources) through the company's ordinary, ongoing, day-to-day business activities for the nine months ending Feb 28 2009 -- in this case ($9.9 million).

To the extent that my question "doesn't make sense" that's only because you've never heard of Warren Buffett or have never bothered to read anything he's ever written. Had you done so, you'd know that this particular step is the first step Buffett goes through (among many others) in evaluating investments. He likes to call it "owner earnings" since (if it's a positive number) it represents the unencumbered cash flows which are available to be distributed to the owners of the company. Buffett also backs out maintenance capex expenditures as well since, obviously, money spent by the company for PP&E isn't available to be distributed to the shareholders either. That's a rough proxy for what Buffett would call "free cash flow", and Buffett's a guy who loves companies that throw off excess amounts of free cash and has gotten very rich by being able to identify them at valaution levels that are attractive.

And for Spongetech, that number is negative and it's big ($9.9 M) which means that Spongetech is consuming cash, not generating it, and is a big number in any case in relation to the size of the company. Moreover, the number is getting increasingly negative which suggests the company's business is actually deteriorating, not improving.

Of course, it's possible to obfuscate this through the use of accrual accouting gimmicks, and Spongetech is doing exactly that. Hence the huge increase in A/R balances without any reserve for bad debt, stock sales that are shown as sources of operating cash inflows and are noted as non-operating items, and so forth.

And by the way, the capex expenditures for this company are minimal, but can be found in the section of the cash flow statement for investing activities -- and amounted to a grand total of $672 for the nine month period. So, SPNG is not exactly what you'd call a hub of internally-generated growth either.

Of course, it wouldn't hurt to teach your students something about Buffett since he's a self-made guy and is very good at what he does. But that would require a paradigm shift in thinking about the whole process of investing and how to go about evaluating companies as ongoing economic entities. And since you're long Spongetech, I don't think it's gonna happen.

Otherwise, it's 6:35 here, no 10-K has been filed for today's due date (no surprise there whatsoever) and life is looking very, very good for tomorrow.