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StephanieVanbryce

08/24/09 6:00 PM

#80739 RE: StephanieVanbryce #80738

Panetta’s Threats

Monday August 24, 2009 9:04 am
By: emptywheel

I'm trying to find it, but some weeks back, there was a report of Rahm and Leon Panetta having a very contentious very public meal in DC. Which is what I assume this passage from the ABC story reporting [ http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8398902 ] (again) that Panetta may be on his way out at CIA refers to.

.........According to intelligence officials, Panetta erupted in a tirade last month during a meeting with a senior White House staff member. Panetta was reportedly upset over plans by Attorney General Eric Holder to open a criminal investigation of allegations that CIA officers broke the law in carrying out certain interrogation techniques that President Obama has termed "torture."

Assuming that the senior staffer was Rahm (always a good guess when tirades are involved), what does that say about the rest of the article (aside from the fact that the description of Panetta using "salty language" without reporting that it was probably a two-way flood of "fucks" suggests some bias)?

The article itself reports three kinds of complaints Panetta has regarding his position:

The imminent appointment of a prosecutor to investigate torture and dealing with the Democrats in the House

Panetta's subordinate position with respect to Dennis Blair

Panetta's discomfort with "with some of the operations being carried out by the CIA that he did not know about until he took the job"

Of note, those are unlike things. Panetta's frustration with the torture investigation and his former colleagues is undoubtedly related. But his pique at being bureaucratically bested by Blair is completely different. And the discomfort about ongoing operations--suggesting he's less willing to push the limits than the "former top US intelligence official" reporting this complaint is another kind of problem altogether.

In other words, it's unclear from the reporting whether Panetta's complaining because he has been too protective of CIA, of his own turf, or of the law.

Now add that range of complaints in with some of the guarantees from those who might be passing on mere observations or might be attempts to create the reality it claims to observe. In particular, I'm particular intrigued by the report that one of the runners-up to Panetta in getting the position is already being briefed to take over appearing in the same article citing a former high ranking intelligence officer.

........"Leon will be leaving," predicted a former top U.S. intelligence official, citing the conflict with Blair.

[snip]

Six other current and former senior intelligence officials said they too had been briefed about Panetta's frustrations in the job, including dealing with his former Democratic colleagues in the House of Representatives.

One of the officials said the White House had begun informal discussions with candidates who were runners-up to Panetta in the CIA director selection process last year.

One of the candidates reportedly has begun a series of preparatory briefings..........


Is the guy predicting Panetta's demise the guy getting briefings in preparation for consideration for the job? And is that guy someone like John Brennan?

Someone (perhaps, but not necessarily in addition to the Blackwater-related people pissed at Panetta [ http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/19/the-errors-of-telling-of-leon-panettas-error/ ] for briefing Blackwater's role to Congress) is out to get Panetta. It's unclear precisely why they're out to get him.

http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/08/24/panettas-threats/
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StephanieVanbryce

08/24/09 6:25 PM

#80740 RE: StephanieVanbryce #80738

Here’s How the CIA Can Fudge the Question of Whether Torture ‘Worked’

For those, like former Vice President Dick Cheney, who want to argue that CIA torture “worked,” a footnote on page six of the 2004 CIA inspector general’s report [ http://washingtonindependent.com/56175/the-2004-cia-inspector-generals-report-on-torture ] on torture provides a blueprint for muddying the waters. Rarely if ever, according to the report, did torture occur by itself. The CIA also used the rapport-building techniques that trained interrogators [ http://washingtonindependent.com/56304/what-george-tenet-thought-wasnt-an-enhanced-interrogation-technique ] like the FBI’s Ali Soufan have urged, for a combination approach that might be called Good Cop/Psychotic Cop.

........Before 11 September (9/11) 2001, Agency personnel sometimes used the terms interrogation/interrogator and debriefing/debriefer interchangeably. The use of these terms has since evolved and, today, CTC [the Counterterrorist Center] more clearly distinguishes their meanings. A debriefer engages a detainee solely through question and answer. An interrogator is a person who completes a two-week interrogations training program, which is designed to train, qualify, and certify a person to administer EITs ["enhanced interrogation techniques."]. An interrogator can administer EITs during an interrogation of a detainee only after the field, in coordination with Headquarters, assesses the detainee as withholding information. An interrogator transitions the detainee from a non-cooperative to a cooperative phase in order that a debriefer can elicit actionable intelligence through non-aggressive techniques during debriefing sessions. An interrogator may debrief a detainee during an interrogation; however, a debriefer may not interrogate a detainee.

The report goes on to say that the agency’s “detention and interrogation of terrorists has provided intelligence that has enabled the identification and apprehension of other terrorists and warned of terrorist plots planned for the United States around the world.” Because of the joint relationship of “interrogators” and “debriefers,” it’s extraordinarily difficult to distinguish between what approaches worked and what didn’t for the purposes of the report. (Even factoring out moral and legal considerations.) That lack of disaggregation may be what contributed to the documents that Cheney wanted the CIA to declassify showing the alleged utility of torture.” [ http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/cia-will-release-torture-docs-cheney-requested-will-also-release-report-on-tortures-effectiveness/ ]

http://washingtonindependent.com/56259/heres-how-the-cia-can-fudge-the-question-of-whether-torture-worked