'You need to keep in mind that no company has been able to accomplish the results that Jim has planned for Torvec. It would not be prudent for anyone here to consider that Torvec has failed until some other company has actually accomplished the Torvec goals before Torvec."
What? Not Xerox, not Paycheck, not Microsoft, not Google, not Walmart, not FedEx etal. If you want to restrict the comparison to just auto related companies I can't come up with any that have come from nowhere to change the industry in recent decades. It certainly has happened many many times in unrelated industries.