Replies to post #8001 on SEC Charges Eleven in Stock Manipulation Ring

[Stock]

I thought a fact was a fact? Does it depend on what the definition of "is" is?

And IMO, there will never be a courtroom trial. Very few anythings -- criminal, civial, whatever -- ever actually see an actual trial. This is not Perry Mason.

[jarta]

Ordinary, ... The lawyers argue/debate what the facts are. The trier of fact (jury or judge) then makes the determination.

Whatever the trier of fact determines are the facts .....

them's the facts. No more debate. ... eom