Carefull Reddog65, he did turn us on to the "Inverse Inglehoff Indicator" that we may have not otherwise known about. They are not reliable though as I could not get my Inverse Inglehoff Indicator started this morning. I think there is a problem with the Hoffs Ingle, because I cannot get it into Cator Verse, but I am not sure what the problem is. The gage shows OK on the Ingle Hoff Cator.