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DERBENSKI

04/17/09 11:56 AM

#419016 RE: BullNBear52 #419010

He he he. Before I head off, about those hormones.

Women complain that we will bang anything but it is those same hormones that allow us to find them still desirous after they get old and wrinkly. You just can't have it both ways.

I am out of here before the flames commence. Have a nice weekend.

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mlsoft

04/17/09 10:17 PM

#419127 RE: BullNBear52 #419010

bull...

It is your board, so if you want no more posts on the subject of religion, I will stop posting on the subject except where it directly is involved with politics or other posts by posters here -- if you allow a post which directly touches the subject of Christianity or Christian beliefs, I assume you will be fair enough to allow my reply. If you will notice, all of my posts have been in direct response to other posts here on this board.



"The Constitution, thank God, is quite clear on the separation of church and state. It also protects one's religious views, however that would be in the privacy of their own homes."

Where do you get that "interpretation" of the Constitution?? Protected only in the privacy of their own homes?? I beg to differ, and would like a link to a credible constitutional scholar who would agree with your statement. Even if you were able to come up with one, which I seriously doubt, I could cite you many who would disagree. The Fourth Amendment, which you quote, has absolutely nothing to do with the freedom of religion. You are completely mistaken. Please read it again and tell me what part of it refers to the freedom of religion.

The "wall of separation of church and state" is not to be found in the Constitution. If it is, please show it to me. The only reference to religion in the Constitution is found in the 1st Amendment of the Bill of Rights:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Being the 1st Amendment is telling, for it stresses the importance the framers attached to the freedoms of religion and speech. Note that in the same way, the freedom of religion is the very first item addressed in the Bill of Rights.

Read it closely -- "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". There is no "wall of separation" mentioned or even hinted at in the religion clause, regardless of Supreme Court rulings since that time. I am fully aware that the SC rulings are the law of the land, but I do want you to see that like the Roe v Wade case, there is no Constitutional basis for those rulings. Also note that the second half of the religious clause is just as important as the first half, although it has been largely ignored recently.

Again, I want to stress that your use of the 4th Amendment is ridiculous. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the freedom of religion. Equally ridiculous is your statement that religion is protected only in the privacy of your own home. I hope that you will rethink both stances in light of what the Constitution actually says rather than what you want it to say.

mlsoft