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Sarmad

03/05/09 11:05 PM

#77085 RE: techno_bull #77084

>> I'd rather see me, you and everyone else have that money stay in their paycheck

Who exactly do you mean by "you and everyone else" ? There is the basic fact that millions of people have suddenly lost their employment and livelihood. How do you leave them more money in their paycheck, now that their paycheck has disappeared ? Tomorrow the labor dept will announce that another half million workers lost their paycheck in February, making the total unemployed ever 10 million.
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wbmw

03/06/09 2:16 AM

#77093 RE: techno_bull #77084

Re: I'd rather see me, you and everyone else have that money stay in their paycheck for each of us to use as we sit fit rather than Washington deciding for us.

One last point from me, Techno.

The impulse of people in an economic crisis is to hoard their money and save. This is easy for the small percentage of wealthy Americans, which I'm sure describes both of us. But for the vast majority of middle class, they don't have any money to save, because the cost of living is hurting them right now, along with declining home values, loss of job, raising interest rates, and huge drops in consumer demand. People like you and I might make enough money to keep afloat in spite of that, but the rest of the country is in a death spiral.

What you can't do is ignore the problem, and you can't tell people to go out and spend money, because A) some people can't, and B) the rest of the people won't.

So having the government spend the money is a good forcing function. It gets money exchanging hands in all kinds of markets and businesses, and at the same time it actually leaves the country with more of what it needs: infrastructure, work towards energy independence (such as the housing retrofitting to lower energy consumption), highways, bridges, etc.

I might even agree with you that the government should back itself out of the picture, when the country is doing good, and leave it to individuals how to spend money. But we can't ignore this problem, and we can't leave it to individuals to do the right thing and spend. It just won't happen without intervention, and I'm certain that over time, the facts will come show that Obama's plan was the right thing to do.
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tecate

03/06/09 6:23 AM

#77095 RE: techno_bull #77084

The rich will not spend their money, this has been shown after the last horrid 8 years, in Texas we are gettin' new toll roads, not my first choice, but we are getting flocks of foreign license plates here in Austin, the same thing happened in '00, Texas has not been acutely hurt by the recession and is listed as a state where jobs are so we must ask ourselves, does a job that helps a 25 year old guy with a high school diploma, who lives and works here in the state help texas or does money for a rich guy who lives in San Francisco/LA/Washington/etc help me in Texas? My problem with the hating of the Obama plan is that the other sides plan is to only help themselves and not their community, their town, their country.

I've never been to Vegas so I don't know about a rail line..