If you have seen proof and the rest of us haven't, that's another story. But in order for you to win the debate on this one topic you need to SHOW PROOF that Hagemayer IS selling PDGT products, like actual sales. There is no guarantee that any significant sales will ever be made, if any. Much depends on pricing. And assuming that proof was provided, how do you answer the simple question about the O/S shares? Seems no one is wanting to go there. I wonder why? Is it because some of you said "oops" when you realized this? Could it be that MAYBE something just isn't right? Isn't it worth the time and effort to find this out? Do you know what an extra 200 million shares does to the value of your investment? I hope for your sake that the numbers are incorrect and they get corrected. But if they are correct the recent PR stating a share count of 800+ million O/S is VERY misleading.