Getting more desperate huh Hawk. Why can't you stay on topic? Where is the energy balance data, Why are you so afraid of publishing? I published, There must be a reason for not publishing, Could it be there is no positive energy balance? Your lame BS about me looking for information from GRC wont wash so what is it Big engineer? As DM asked , why are the tire recyclers and big oil contracts not pouring through the door? Could it be that as spokesman for GRC your credibility is as bad as it is here?