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Sarmad

10/25/08 10:25 AM

#70099 RE: FCguy #70097

>> When retail tanks in 4Q and 1Q (and likely other quarters) ... Intel is going to be swept down with that general market collapse regardless of rationale.
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Does that mean you expect a general world-wide economic depression ? Or merely a stock market depression caused by reduced holiday spending ?
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techno_bull

10/25/08 11:54 AM

#70102 RE: FCguy #70097

re: the market is similarly going to tank on multiple bad earnings reports and grim

The market doesn't wait around to hear bad earnings reports. Just the expectation of this news moves the prices downward. What we are seeing right now is the downward slide that you are expecting in Q4 and Q1'09 and while some downside risk (another 8-10%) is still in view, I think that the 'tanking' that is occurring now will be over by the end of the year. I would look for a sideways trading market for Q1 and Q2 with a gradual rebound starting around mid year 09. JMO
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Saturn V

10/25/08 12:49 PM

#70106 RE: FCguy #70097

When retail tanks in 4Q and 1Q (and likely other quarters)
the market is similarly going to tank on multiple bad earnings reports and grim
projections. Intel is going to be swept down with that general market collapse
regardless of rationale.


As said by others the market always looks ahead by six months to a year. A global recession and a tanking of Q4 and Q1 09 was already written into the market, by the plunge in Q1 08, and Intel was swept down by the market collapse. But the further collapse in Sept and October is discounting something far worse, like a prolonged deep recession/depression for a 5-10 year time frame. This is prompted by the fear that a dysfunctional world banking system will destroy everything. The banking crises of 1908 and 1929 did indeed lead to prolonged depressions. If the present bank rescue effort becomes effective the gloom will dissipate. The bailout bill has been passed, but the Treasury action has yet to achieve the desired effect. I look for better confidence before the end of the year, because the Election will be behind us, the World Wide coordinated bank rescues will have kicked in, and there will be better visibility about the future of Banking.

Intel's mid quarter earnings update will happen in early December. So if Intel's numbers look reasonable, Intel could lead the market out of its abyssmal state. But a more likely is a state is that the market moves sideways for several months, and then takes off in Spring, even though the Intel Q2 earnings are the worst at that time. All this assumes that Banking is fully functional by the end of the year.







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morrowinder

10/25/08 4:40 PM

#70114 RE: FCguy #70097

FCguy: That would be the worst case scenario...

Granted things are looking bad at the moment. I am not investing for a 6 month time line though.

It is unfortunate that US retail is so highly watched. It is the worst part of the computer market right now. Low asps. Low profit. Commodity driven. I agree that it could lead things lower but reality is that US retail doesn't really determine Intel profits as much as new overseas growth does now. And I believe that consumption is going to be decent but asps may fall in US retail. The retailers may get into a bloodbath and some will probably die forever(circuit city).

I have been buying in at various points and adding to my position. I had some at 16.50. I bought some more at 14. I am not looking to make a quick buck and get out but hold for period. The dividend is attractive right now. It could go down lower but I am not selling until things begin to recover. Also have been buying GE and Bank of america so I think we are actually close in what we think the final outcome will be.