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AnderL

10/09/08 11:05 AM

#1815 RE: AnderL #1814

The marekts are a terrific value right now. seriously there are tremendous deals out there and it is killing the investment banks to have to be selling these positions at these historic lows. especially when they were buying them 35% higher. everyone things that the institutional are smart investors, that they ply the markets in giant galleons raiding poor retailers and pillaging their 401ks.

the reality is that they know no better than you and me. they get caught up in the same problems and for all their facts and figures, statements and charts, here is where they are, dumping positions for large losses just to have cash available to pay off debts because the collection agency is knocking on the door.

so while the markets are a terrific value, the herd, which includes the "smart" money is selling. so the marekts will get cheaper still and they will not turn up until after they have paid their debts off and raise enough capital to put into the markets again. A lot of money was wiped out. Well borrowed from future production I should say. The economy has been reset by about a decade. That recovery we had from 2002 to 2007 is all but erased. We could have just stayed in a recession for that much longer because what ever growth we obtained is being contracted away.
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AnderL

10/09/08 6:04 PM

#1816 RE: AnderL #1814

Treasury may capitalize banks by end of October: source
Thu Oct 9, 2008 1:27pm EDT
By Karey Wutkowski

Everyone would be happy with this. It should have been the original plan. More than likely I can see this as a DRIp program for the Treasury where they reinvest the money into the banks common shares raising they capital. Banks survive and get liquidity. Money supply increases, although not as fast of a rate as fractional reserving and when the banks are stable enough and trust each other enough the Fed can unwind. I'm sure they will come out break even on the deal. They don't lose money but they don't profit the taxpayers.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Treasury Department plans to start directly injecting capital in U.S. banks as soon as the end of October in exchange for passive investment stakes, according to a financial policy source familiar with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's thinking.

Using authority granted to it by last week's $700 billion market rescue legislation, Treasury would get common or preferred shares in the banks it capitalizes, the source told Reuters on Thursday. The government does not intend to seek seats on companies' board of directors in the voluntary capitalization program.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said later on Thursday that Paulson is "actively considering" capital injections into troubled U.S. banks.

"Secretary Paulson is looking at all the different tools to figure out which ones should be used at what time and how robustly and how much money to put into each," she said.

A Treasury spokesperson declined to comment in detail but said: "Treasury has broad, flexible authorities under the financial rescue legislation to buy assets, provide guarantees and inject capital and intends to consider all of them."

If the U.S. Treasury does inject capital into banks, it would be following the playbook of the British government, which on Wednesday pledged up to $87 billion to shore up banks' capital in exchange for preference shares.

The source familiar with Paulson's thinking said Treasury was working "extremely fast" to put together a capital injection plan.

The effect of injecting capital would be to boost banks' capacity to lend, thus complementing the bailout bill's objective of removing soured mortgage-backed assets weighing on banks' balance sheets.

Some critics of the proposals for buying soured mortgage-related products have said the process would take so long that it would reduce its efficiency, whereas a capital injection through share purchases would immediately put more cash for lending into the banking system.

The question may be whether banks are willing to accept the government as a stakeholder in return for the new capital.

The source said the injections would likely be made public, possibly inducing some reluctance among bankers to use it for fear that they would be identified as vulnerable institutions.

In addition, it was unclear whether a bank that wanted to participate would have to agree to conditions like limits on executive pay and an end to "golden parachutes," or rich pay packets for departing executives.

While public fury remains high at what is perceived as excessive pay for financial firms, corporations are generally reluctant to cede control over compensation levels, perhaps especially so to the government.

Paulson made clear on Wednesday that he interprets the authority granted by the financial rescue package as sweeping and that he intends to make full use of it. He said most attention has focused on Treasury plans to buy distressed securities from banks but made clear that wasn't the extent of his new authorities.

"We will use all of the tools we've been given to maximum effectiveness, including strengthening the capitalization of financial institutions of every size," he said.

(Additional reporting by Andy Sullivan and Glenn Somerville; Editing by Leslie Adler)
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10/21/08 8:40 PM

#1829 RE: AnderL #1814

Is there a CDS auction or something tomorrow? Or was it today? Lehman?