thanks, jds, looking forward to his reply. I'm aware that he has a certain following here on ihub, but as he seems to specialize in spurious pink sheet plays I have my doubts as to his methodology. His focus seems to be on minute to minute flips and is devoid of standard DD. I frankly have serious doubts as to the value of having DPDW show up on his lists but I'm open to persuasion on that topic. Good luck! -Fritz