Dear excel,
Brother, your anger is showing and it is misdirected and misplaced.
I admit I do not know this woman's case in detail, but I do know what the scriptures teach concerning divorce and marriage and a drunk husband isn't one of them.
If you feel the need to go find scripture to support your counseling someone to leave their married spouse, who in front of God took their VOWS, please feel free to do so dear brother.
BUt I caution you that when someone makes a VOW to GOD, only GOD can release you from it. Not man. God takes VOWS seriously.
Again, perhaps you should re-aquaint yourself with Hosea and his marriage and realize that GOD TOLD him to marry this person, knowing the reputation she had and what she was.
Did God ever tell Hosea to divorce her?
Did Hosea have Biblical grounds to do so? YES. Infidelity is one of them. Proven infidelity.
Did he divorce her? NO!!!
What did he do?
Well, you can read it for yourself or you already know the answer.
Best example I can point to off the top of my head.
And yes, excel, for over twenty years I have counseled people with marriage problems using the scriptures as the only basis.
It is never easy.
My wife's aunt was married for 50 years to an unbeliever. Unequally yoked. She faithfully contimued to go to church for awhile. Gradually, over time, he began to see her God and her faith through her life. Yes, it took twenty years befor Joe became a child of God, but he did. All do to the testimony and "chaste conversation" of their wives.
Now then sir, let's be frank here since you are in that mood.
DO you dispute that the scriptures I provided from I Peter chapter three DIRECTLY are related to the role of the wife with an unsaved spouse?
Do you think that is twisting scripture?
Question 2.
Who is your neighbor? You seem to have a problem with that as well.
Let's see, across the street people? Next door people? People you see at the stores?
Everyone except yourself? BINGO!!!!! Yes to all the above as well.
I used the example of loving thy neighbor for the sole purpose of demonstrating God's love for us was so great He LOVED US MORE THAN HIMSELF.
LOVE is LOSING ONESELF for SOMEONE ELSE.
Paul said in Phillipians 2: 3 that we are to esteem everyone else better than ourselves. Kind of goes hand in hand with the second greatest commandment does it not?
Here is I Corinthians chapter 13. It worth reading.
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth F47 not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought F51 as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; F52 but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Charity = LOVE
Notice it beareth all things and endureth ALL things. What love of is Paul speaking of here???
The point brother is that you seem to have an extreme dislike for love, agape, philio and the power of God's promises and HIS will and HIS purpose in EVERYONE's life.
Mine as well as yours and PL's.
WHO are WE to interfere with God's plan and purpose?
AS I said, the scripture is abundantly clear on the circumstances in which a writ of divorcement CAN be given.
I agree that if there is PHYSICAL HARM OR DANGER WE HAVE A NEW METRIC, or IF we know for sure we have infidelity going on then we have a new metric.
BUT even then with infidelity, God gave the option of working through that or splitting up. I have seen it go both ways.
Neither has been good and sometimes it was best for one party.
BUT GIVE the WORD and GOD's PLAN a chance to work brother.
No one is trying to make you look like a fool. I am not your enemy here.
I am your blood bought brother in Christ, that cost our LORD much pain and suffering. WIll you throw me away also?
Please cool down and give some thought to what I have said I implore you.
Your brother in Christ,
MIB
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