"to each their own" I hear that. Personally I've become very comfortable using a few simple rules with charts. Keeps me out of trouble....but I'm a fundy guy first. Just was interested b/c their are still some big time money managers that use P&Fs....just anytime I've seen anyone use them to back up a position...it's never seemed to go the right way, but it's all in how it's used so I'd like to see that sometime.