chunga1 -- in your twisted sense of what is real, perhaps -- that's your problem, not mine -- when it comes to things like this, it is painfully obvious that at a very deep level you just can't handle certain truths -- you keep insisting on clinging to your ideological precepts when they are clearly dead wrong in light of overwhelming obvious facts to the contrary, so you stay stuck in your comfy neocon delusions -- so long as you continue that way, we're gonna keep banging heads on all this stuff -- which is fine, so be it -- as I said, your problem, not mine
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