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savantu

01/29/08 3:53 AM

#57452 RE: wbmw #57440

Do you honestly think that people buy Itaniums for the clock frequency, rather than performance? If not, then why are you making an issue out of missing frequency goals?

Well , don't fall entirely for Paul's arguments.

The HPC market responded enthusiastically to IPF back in 2002-2004 , SGI was rocking with Altix , Intel was selling thousands of its Tiger boxes and so on.
The IPF systems on Top 500 list were doubling each 6 months , massive wins were announced each month.

I remember how Paul was saying that IPF will dominate Top 500 and so on.

Everything fell apart in late 2004.Why ? Because of lack of progress with IPF's top frequency.Unlike commercial apps , in HPC the IPF cores were kept busy , they could do 4 DP Flops per cycle and could scale to thousands of CPUs.

So , the performance per clock was there.Why did Itanium go from the darling of HPC world to extinction in 2 years ?
Because it lacks clocks , the top frequency in 2008 is the same as in 2004.

At the same time , x86 greatly improved , going from 2DP Flops and 2GHz to 4DP Flops and 3.2GHz while doubling the amount of cores.
Had Intel delivered on its promises , SGI wouldn't have went Chapter 11 , the HPC market wouldn't have been lost and it would have made and even bigger splash in the commercial market ( unlike being a HP thing as it is now ).

You can go away with decent performance when you are SUN or IBM , huge user bases , locked in , but not when you are the new kid on the block.IPF was the new kid in the server world.
HP could go away with that , their existing Unix user base had few options.
What about the rest of IPF vendors ? They didn't have a huge user base so they could shove IPF down their throats.They had to win on technical merits.And when the performance isn't there vs. other RISCs/x86, how the hell are you supposed to make any progress ?

Paul constantly hails IPF gaining share in Windows/Linux server market.That's missing the whole picture : unlike Unix where you can be tied to apps you won't find in the x86 world , going Windows/Linux you're basically up on a plate for x86 consolidation.
Whatever app people are using on Windows/Linux on IPF is found in the x86 world.So why did people buy IPF systems for that ?
Simple : RAS obviously since the performance is inferior.

What will happen when x86 gets to the same level of RAS with vastly higher performance ( say hello to Nehalem EX/Shanghai )?
They will flock back to cheaper , better performing x86 systems.
SGI isn't designing the future Altix to be Nehalem EX compatible just for the fun of it.