Hi Murray I have not removed them as of yet. Yes they appear to be whippy. I was not able to view them till 2 weeks ago. The HFE is a way to do the morning REV. trade, which seems to be good. This mornings worked or is still working for some. Looks almost like the 5 min wants to set up for a long? Sorry I am speaking IWM and that is not what others watch. I am about 52% pace are you around 150% or so ER etc. sb edit in the 20's now pace edit again the A/D is about 2 to 1 neg. I am not great with the trin nyse but it is on my mach. about 1.25 ish. If the vol. is low I might be inclined to be very careful and not trade for the small loss of it. Perhaps a more visual set up will show it self???