Yes very sound advice an I will work with it, for sure. I most likely should have stayed with the HFE longer but $RUT etc. was such a lagger. Guess I thought catching the HFE for a little and if later we get a more classic set up ? later that might be more visual and give more confidence. I admit I have only done the HFE a few times and that was sometime ago before NARS. Ok yes in this case it was not ER or IWM it was me who was a little evil to me. sb