Also instead of the rah rah, we expect to have a product and revenue to market in 2004. Maybe you ought to look at the last couple of filings. Filings speak way more truth then your so called conversation with Brad. I've flat out heard enough rah rah from Howell, Ray and now Brad. You ever wonder really why Cooper really left? Yea, another mystery. We can speculate on that too if you like, My speculation is he couldn't produce so he wasn't going to let his reputation be varnished. I'm sure you have several answers for that one too. I know for a fact per the filings we are good until end of April I believe. Now you state we will have product and revenues in year 2004. Enough of the soon stuff will ya and enough of the second hand news, it has no value except for the dreamers left that hope to get some money back. Which by the way I actually do have a very slim hope.