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dreamz333

07/07/07 7:38 AM

#4475 RE: ocyanblue #4474

To all you bashers, America needs provenge...


Open up the link below..








http://www.provengenow.org/

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iwfal

07/07/07 9:33 AM

#4476 RE: ocyanblue #4474

But if they have to resubmit a new set of documents in the second half of 2008, there is little urgency to put together a document on CMC now. If they get it all done by year end, that would be fine.

We're in the bitter ex-long phase. A common occurence in biotech.
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croumagnon

07/07/07 10:09 AM

#4477 RE: ocyanblue #4474

""a bit longer" would not be something I use to describe the difference between a delay to end of 2007 because of minor CMC issues and a delay to some time in 2009 to wait for the interim data and then resubmit new data."

OK, maybe a bit longer is not the proper term here but the idea remains one and the same. The way I can imagine it happened is along those lines sometime in the late April early May time frame...

The big shot: "Where are we with respect to the Provenge BLA"
The lower level bureaucrat: "well the panel vote endorsed approval but there are some CMC issues still unresolved that we believe will take another year or so. Additionally, you may have read the public letters of Hussein, Scher, and Flemmings arguing vehemently against approval because the efficacy has not yet been demonstrated"
The Padzur Manipulator: "Well, since the CMC issues will take a while to resolve, and since they have an ongoing 9902b trial that will confirm or deny the current questionable efficiency, I think it makes sense to delay approval until both these issues are resolved to a scientific conclusion. Undoubtedly the trials have questionable efficiency so far as has been publicly pointed out by some of our most respected oncologists and statisticians and I think approving at this stage could be a nightmare for the FDA because it could hamper enrollment in 9902b and may result in our approving a drug without the needed efficacy data. What makes sense here is to issue a CR letter requiring a resolution of the CMC issues as well as added efficacy data from 9902b"
The big Shot: " OK, in the interest of sciences, and in order to avoid a major rift within the FDA ranks, let us issue the CR letter requiring further efficacy along with a resolution of the CMC issues..."

Something along those lines may have happened. I suspect that, barring the CMC issues, the arguments of the naysayers would have been weaker and this is why I think the CMC issues may have had a material effect on the final FDA decision...
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rancherho

07/07/07 12:56 PM

#4481 RE: ocyanblue #4474

1. The true status of the CMC issues can be easiiy cleared up by publishing a redacted form 483 to remove "proprietary" items and reporting when the FDA has accepted the required written corrective action plan that would have restatrted the PDUFA clock. My guess continues to be that the nature of the 483 problems are those that even when viewed in February would require a follow-up unanounced FDA inspection that taking into account the time for FDA acceptance of a written corrective action plan and the 6 month resetting of the PDUFA clock at that time would have taken DNDN into 2008.

2. I think that croumagnon's response is closer to what may actually have occurred. DNDN could have appealed the FDA CRL with little impact on the much delayed schedule caused by agreeing so rapidly to await the interim survival results and even taken the FDA to court for procedural irregularities under Federal Administrative law. There is probably no other action that could have strengthned the position of Provenge supporters in the FDA and at the NCI, but even if it removed the requirement for further efficacy data, the spotlight would be shifted on the time to resolve CMC issues.

3. There would have also been the possibility of reopening the TTP issue if DNDN hadn't rushed to reaffirm the interim look for survival as the next regulatory event, as allowed in any event by the existing SPA. Under the new paradigm for clinical trials of cancer vaccines and immunotherapies, an initial ramp up period for an immune reaction to become effective(suggested at three months) is allowed, which would have made 9901TTP statistically significant, but was not allowed in 9901(retrospective and long since passed) and would not have helped 9902a. 9902b TTP data, allowing six months from randomization, should be fully mature in early 2008, as should be some early survival data. The Prentice criteria for surrogacy would require that TTP be stat significant, that it be reasonably likely that survival will ultimately also be stat significant at the trial's conclusion and that the cause for the increase in TTP be the cause for increased survival. It seems to me that causation requirement could be met simply by testing long term survivors of 9901 and 9902a for continued reactivity to PA 2024 (OK that still raises the human PAP vs.PA2024 reactivity issue). Since a FDA Accelerated Approval based on such analysis would be equivalent to the conditional approval recommended by the AC, and with a Federal Court looking over the FDA's shoulder, this process would have allowed DNDN to skip the more risky interim survival look with a reduced alpha to await 2010 final data while allowing commercial sales.

4. Since we have so many fine statisticians posting today, a question. Without digging deeply into the reference material, my recollection is that the Petrylak Halabi based analysis of Provenge + Taxotere was based on 81 patients in 9901 and 9902a who took Taxotere and reported that median survival increased by 14 months. Dr. Small's Halabi analysis reported in 10/06 was that the increased median survival of the 9901 was 5.8 months. 202 9901 and 9902a patients took Provenge either initially or on crossover. Putting aside for simplicity's sake any non crossver control patient who may only have had Taxotere, approximately 40% of 9901 and 9902a enrollees would have had Provenge + Taxotere. Simplistically multiplying that 40% by the 14 months increase from Petrylak's data comes to an average for all treated patients of 5.6 months increase in MS per Halabi, which, in tirn suggests that the combination treatment may have been overwhelmingly responsible for increased median survival. DNDN reported that the average time interval between the completion of Provenge treatment and Taxotere for those patients who took both was 4 to 6 months and a full course of Taxotere is a 7 month process, which seems to tie into the period when the survival curves begin to separate. The point of this line of reasoning is that if increased survival is largely the result of the combination therapy, shouldn't that hypothesis be tested in a clinical trial and potentially yield greater statistical significance than the 9902b trial where the use of Taxotere after Provenge in the ITT and control group is uncontrolled? The combination therapy also happens to be much more similar to MOA ideas of the NCI's Drs. Niederhuber and Rosenberg, where chemo is used to deplete Tregs, and of course with the suggested protocol of Dr. Petrylak.

5. BTW, one does not have to be bitter to be disgusted with DNDN's management and to want the very best therapy available to cancer patients as quickly as possible. Insistence on management transparency is hardly a radical idea.
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rancherho

07/07/07 4:00 PM

#4487 RE: ocyanblue #4474

>>I would tend to trust Urdal who said something to the effect that the mention of the CMC issues in the CR letter was just a reminder to get it done.<<
1. Right. 483 issues are violations of FDA regs, typically involving cGMP issues. Experts report that cGMP inspections concentrate on issues such as recordkeeping, training, maintaining sterile conditions and the like rather than on merely observing operations during the course of the inspection since such "human factors" can easily get out of hand during a step up to large scale production, especially where it's obvious an applicant is intending on a substantial increase in people and equipment post any FDA approval. Follow-up surveillance inspections occur only every two years on the average.

2.Dave Urdal is an immunologist, not a production QA expert, and remedying such people issues might seem minor to him, even thogh the impact in schedule and tens of millions in added costs before first commercial revenues is hardly minor. In addition, Urdal did not sell shares before the 483 issues were disclosed.

2. OTOH, Bogdan Dryzinski (sp?), a selling Director is a retired Quality Assurance Director from Medimmune, a vaccine manufacturer in the same regional district of the FDA's Office of Regulatory Compliance (reputedly the toughest) as DNDN's NJ facility and an officer of a national regulatory affairs organization. Logically, I think that the actions of a quality assurance expert selling shares prior to disclosure of FDA Form 483 issues after a positive FDA AC meeting and less than 6 weeks prior to a PDUFA date says a lot more than the words of an immunologist after those same issues were repeated in an FDA CRL. Ultimately though, these issues will not be decided on a MB, but in a Federal District Court proceeding.