kkgd I hear you it's just that so little has been going on with the stock price we have to talk of other things to occupy ourselves. I don't have anything else to do all day right now. As you know I honestly feel this is one fine young company. If I am right and I can keep just one person over there from not getting discouraged and have him sell too early this will make my time worth while. Don't be so sure that the hands of others can't be helped somewhat when the manipulation of the past 2 months can be pointed out and proven. IMHO we are close.