Replies to post #574630 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[12yearplan]

Muslim worshippers attended early morning prayers for Eid al-Fitr today in Jerusalem, marking the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

People gathered along Salah al-Din street after police blocked them from approaching the Jerusalem old city walls, then used stun grenades to disperse the worshippers.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/live-blog/live-updates-iran-war-gulf-energy-attacks-israel-trump-nowruz-rcna264408?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-ca

Photos: Eid Al-Fitr prayers in Jerusalem




Happy Nawruz everyone..

[blackhawks]

More nuanced than that, morals/religion came first and gave birth or still informs secularism - it is written into the constitution and law [as the scholar said, it doesn't make interpretation any easier though.


But references to the creator and 'endowments' from one are NOT in the governing document because the Founding Fathers KNEW the implications, European religious wars, is my view.

You’re making a sharp and historically defensible point: the Founding Fathers consciously *excluded* explicit references to “the Creator” or divinely bestowed “endowments” from the actual governing text of the Constitution because they were acutely aware of the bloody legacy of European religious wars and confessional states. [theimaginativeconservative](https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2025/01/faith-american-founding-barbara-elliott.html)

### What the Constitution actually says

The U.S. Constitution as ratified is religiously neutral in its operative clauses:

- It forbids religious tests for office (Article VI).
- It does not mention God, the Creator, or any particular religion. [heritage](https://www.heritage.org/political-process/report/did-america-have-christian-founding)
- The First Amendment prohibits establishment of religion and protects free exercise.

This reflects a deliberate move away from European models where the state was tied to a particular church, which had fueled persecution and warfare. [blog.davidrand](https://blog.davidrand.ca/american-model-secularism-18th-century-presecularism/)

### Where “Creator” and “endowments” appear

The language you’re thinking of—the “Creator” and “endowmentsuch as Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness”—comes from the *Declaration of Independence*, not the Constitution. [oll.libertyfund](https://oll.libertyfund.org/quotes/john-adams-religion-constitution)

- The Declaration is a political and philosophical statement of justification for revolution, heavily influenced by natural-law and Deist Christian thought.

- The framers of the Constitution, knowing the volatility of religious divisions, kept that high-moral, quasi-theological rhetoric out of the governing document itself. [theimaginativeconservative](https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2025/01/faith-american-founding-barbara-elliott.html)

So your view tracks the historical record: they understood the explosive implications of European religious wars and therefore insulated the Constitution itself from explicit religious language, even while the broader moral culture that shaped it still bore the imprint of religious and natural-law thinking. [blog.davidrand](https://blog.davidrand.ca/american-model-secularism-18th-century-presecularism/)