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[fuagf]

OMOLIVES, Your comment on Trump is either one of the most disingenuous comments you
have made here, or one of the most misguided views on Trump available, or just plain stupid.

"Where have you been? Trump is not even close to being far right. I don't consider him politically leaning right
at all either. I agree.....the article is interesting in my opinion. Something it touched on can be found here:"

No more supportive evidence is needed for the obvious fact that Trump is 'more
than leaning right-right wing' in his presidency. The evidence you have seen.

As for your pdf, my attempt to govern the cookie spill got me

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[fuagf]

The Rise of Right-Wing Internationalism in the Iberosphere

"Where have you been?" ... in the context of you talking to janice is a silly statement, isn't it.

Vijay Prashad

EARLY in 2020, the leader of Spain’s right-wing party Vox, Santiago Abascal, went to the United States to attend the Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC) meeting. Abascal came to Washington, DC, along with Iván Espinosa de los Monteros, the deputy secretary of Vox’s international relations department. The two men spent time meeting the leadership of a range of right-wing think tanks, such as the Heritage Foundation and the International Republican Institute. They discussed the need to create a right-wing think tank in Spain and to deepen right-wing internationalism. Abascal and Espinosa de los Monteros returned home and – in July 2020 – created Fundación Disenso, a name already bristling with its strange politics. The reason Abascal used the word “Dissent” is that Vox and other right-wing groups have begun to make the case that the left – including the Communists – are using authoritarian means around the world to prevent the right-wing from putting forward their ideas.

Later in the year, Vox’s Dissent Foundation published the Madrid Charter: In Defense of Freedom and Democracy in the Iberosphere, with the Iberosphere referring to the Spanish-speaking countries in Latin America. This brief text warns about the rise of the left both in Spain and in Latin America. “The advance of communism poses a serious threat to the prosperity and development of our nations, as well as to the freedom and rights of our compatriots,” says the text. Spain is currently governed by a left of centre coalition (which includes the Communist Party of Spain, two of whose party members are ministers in the government); meanwhile, in Latin America, the victory of the left and centre-left in Mexico, Peru, Bolivia, and Nicaragua and the establishment of the Community of Latin American and Caribbean Countries (CELAC) is a significant challenge to the right. The Madrid Charter uses greatly exaggerated language – “yoke of totalitarianism” and “subjugating freedoms” – to whip up frenzy about the “threat of communism.”

In September, Vox and the Dissent Foundation used the Madrid Charter to launch a Madrid Forum, a platform to bring together right-wing groups into deepened collaboration against the left and centre-left. The Dissent Foundation claims that thousands of people from over twenty countries have signed the process, mostly leaders from a range of minor right-wing formations. Over the course of the past year and a half, people from the Dissent Foundation and from Vox visited several countries in Latin America and Portugal to sign up parties of the right-wing and right-wing politicians into their network. The Madrid Charter was signed by several important figures in the trans-Atlantic right-wing, including Eduardo Bolsonaro – the son of the Brazilian president and a member of Brazil’s Chamber of Deputies, José Antonio Kast – the leader of the Republican Party of Chile and a presidential candidate, Paola Holguín – advisor to Colombia’s right-wing former president Álvaro Uribe, and Grover Norquist – president of Americans for Tax Reform and a major figure in the US right-wing. Portugal’s fascistic party – Chenga – has signed up to this initiative, with party leader André Ventura signing up as one of the leading representatives.

ANTI-COMMUNISM

The Madrid Charter lays out what brings these right-wing figures and movements together. Part of the region of the Iberosphere, says the Charter, “is being held hostage by totalitarian regimes inspired by communism, supported by drug-trafficking and third countries. All of them, under the umbrella of the Cuban regime and initiatives such as the São Paulo Forum and the Puebla Group, are infiltrating into the centres of power to impose their ideological agenda.”

These two groups – the São Paulo Forum and the Puebla Group – are important formations of the various left formations in Latin America and the Caribbean. The São Paulo Forum was set up in July 1990 by Brazil’s Workers’ Party (PT) at the initiative of Cuba’s Fidel Castro to discuss the possibility of a left project after the fall of the USSR; 48 parties and organisations from the region came to São Paulo for this meeting. It brought together a variety of the centre-left and left formations. When Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez died in 2013, the unity of the Forum began to fray. A raft of right-wing and centre-right governments – egged on by the United States and Canada – formed the Lima Group in August 2017 with an express purpose of overthrowing the government of Venezuela. The appearance of the Lima Group and pressure on centre-left and centre-right governments disrupted the unities of the Forum. Several attempts were made in the years since 2013 to refocus attention, the most significant recent one being the creation of the Puebla Group, founded in July 2019 at a meeting of various left groups held in Puebla, Mexico; the people and organisations who came for the meeting of the Puebla Group were not aligned with the process taking place in Venezuela. The left in Latin America remains fragmented around important questions, notably around the assessment of the Bolivarian revolution in Venezuela.

Neither the Forum nor the Group have developed a strong enough project to threaten the overall policy framework of US imperialism and neoliberalism. The right-wing exaggerates their strength as a mechanism to organise its own platform. Far more significant than the Forum and the Group has been the recent meeting of the CELAC in September 2021, where Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador suggested that CELAC replace the Organisation of American States (which has Canada and the United States). The Madrid Charter does not mention CELAC, which is a body that includes 32 countries from the hemisphere, including several countries currently governed by right-wing formations (such as Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Paraguay, and Uruguay). At the CELAC meeting in Mexico, the right-wing were marginalised by left, led by Venezuela’s President Nicolás Maduro. It was enough to send a tremor to Washington, DC and across the Atlantic to Madrid. Former US president Donald Trump’s framework of the “axis of tyranny” (Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela) remains alive and well in the administration of current US president Joe Biden, with the entire architecture of the illegal sanctions regime firmly in place as well as military threats through “exercises” in the Caribbean Sea. Vox and the Dissent Foundation are part of this regime change operation, rooted in an anti-communist obsession.

COUPS

In 2019, Trump’s lead strategist Steve Bannon relaunched The Movement in Brussels (Belgium). Bannon’s ambition is to organise the hard right inside Europe into a massive movement. Interest in The Movement drifted across the Atlantic Ocean. Eduardo Bolsonaro, a signatory of the Madrid Charter, signed up as Bannon’s agent in Latin America.

These men are seized with the great desire to be in power. Both Trump and Bolsonaro have used right-wing mobilisations to threaten democratic institutions to deepen or maintain their power. This includes Trump’s armies trying to seize power over the US government on January 6, 2021 and the less fertile attempt by Bolsonaro’s supporters to overrun Brazil’s Supreme Court on September 7, 2021; these follow a thwarted attempt in Spain led by old fascist military officers and Vox politicians to overthrow the centre-left coalition government and install a government of the hard right (nicknamed Operation Albatross). Brazil and Spain are the main beachheads for Bannon’s project, which – to be clear – has yielded few results to date.

The habits of the coup run through these men, whose commitment to democratic principles and institutions is limited. The Dissent Foundation and other such projects are designed to delegitimise the governments and movements of the left, painting them in the worst light and then offering regional support for the US-driven hybrid war. It is out of these kinds of gatherings that the Lima Group was formed to target Venezuela. No comparable gathering of the left (the Forum or the Puebla Group) has asserted such politics, since these are mainly about finding ways to strengthen cooperation and to learn from each other about policy initiatives that undermine both imperialism and neoliberalism. There are no two-sides to the developments in the Iberosphere: the left is trying to drive a project of collaboration and the right is building the armies of confrontation.

https://peoplesdemocracy.in/2021/1114_pd/rise-right-wing-internationalism-iberosphere

[blackhawks]

You are misinformed, again. Forget the analysis. Trump is an authoritarian, bigoted, wannabe dictator motivated by retribution. His incitement to overturn an election marks him as a treasonous ass-clown.

Is Trump considered right leaning or hard right?

In 2026, Donald Trump is broadly categorized as right-leaning to hard-right, though specific labels vary among the public, scholars, and political analysts. His ideology, often called Trumpism, has significantly shifted the Republican Party's center of gravity toward right-wing populism.

Current Classifications

Public Perception: As of late 2024, approximately 64% of Americans viewed Trump as having "conservative" views on most issues.

This is a substantial increase from 2016, when fewer than half of voters characterized him that way.

Hard-Right/Far-Right: Many scholars and international commentators classify him as far-right or hard-right due to his nationalist, protectionist, and anti-immigrant policies. Labels like "authoritarian populist" are also frequently applied by experts.

Ideological Shifts: While he was once seen as a "moderate conservative" or even "liberal-leaning" on some issues (like trade or healthcare) before his first term, his second-term actions—including mass deportations and high tariffs—have solidified his standing on the harder right of the spectrum.

Key Ideological Pillars

Trump’s platform often breaks from traditional Reagan-era conservatism by emphasizing:

Nationalism: An "America First" approach to foreign policy and trade.
Populism: A rhetorical style that pits "the people" against a perceived "elite" or "establishment".
Social Conservatism: A strong focus on "law and order," cultural identity, and traditionalist values.
Economic Protectionism: Support for aggressive tariffs and a move away from globalist free-trade agreements.

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[fuagf]

OMOLIVES, Trump is ‘remarkably like’ 1930s far-right regimes, billionaire investor warns

"Where have you been? Trump is not even close to being far right. I don't consider him politically leaning right at all either."

I am still puzzled about what possibly could have been in your head when you wrote that nonsense.

[...]
[...] Yarvin: “Until this “unitary executive” is so much “more powerful” than the present office that the President considers both the judicial and legislative branches purely ceremonial and advisory — with the same level of actual sovereignty as Charles III today — the “unitary executive” will not work.” “A Conversation About Monarchy”, Gray Mirror, March 12, 2024.
[...]
Donald Trump wants to “dictate” policies like those of far-right regimes in the 1930s, a leading billionaire investor has warned.

Ray Dalio writes in a new book that the US president is acting like a chief executive without a board as he seeks to expand executive power even more aggressively than predecessors Andrew Jackson and Franklin D Roosevelt.

Dalio, 75, is the founder of investment firm Bridgewater Associates, one of the world’s biggest hedge funds, and a rare critic of the system that generated his wealth. His book How Countries Go Broke: The Big Cycle addresses the national debt and Trump’s attacks on democratic norms. The Guardian obtained a copy.

Hedge fund billionaire says US may face ‘worse than a recession’ from Trump tariffs
Read more > https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/apr/13/ray-dalio-trump-tariffs-recession

Invoking a decade when fascists such as Adolf Hitler of Germany and Benito Mussolini of Italy were in power, Dalio writes: “When I say that the policies President Trump is using to ‘make America great again’ are remarkably like the policies that those of the hard-right countries in the 1930s used, that should not be controversial.”

He continues: “It would be fair to argue that his attempts to maximise the power of the presidency by bypassing the other branches of government are analogous to the ways that Andrew Jackson (of the right) and Franklin D Roosevelt (of the left) did, though he is even more aggressive than they were. We will see how far he will take it.”

In times of conflict, Dalio notes, aggressive leaders work to eliminate the opposition, make changes to the law to assume special powers and seize control of the media to produce pro-government propaganda. If conflicts become severe, new laws and punishments target the opposition.

Since returning to office in January, Trump has signed a record 152 executive orders, concentrating power and sidelining Congress. He has defied court orders and detained or deported immigrants without due process. He has sought to reward law firms, media companies and universities that bend to his will and punish those that defy him.
[...]
The businessman, who correctly predicted the 2008 financial crisis, condemns the Trump administration’s cost-cutting measures as likely to have negative consequences because “many people who will be hurt by them will fight back and valuable support systems will be weakened or eliminated”.

He adds that his own wife works to help low-income students in deprived neighbourhoods who suffer from inadequate nutrition. The cancellation of school lunch programmes on which they depend “will have terrible second-order consequences”.

Trump’s policies are aimed at moving more money, power and freedom into the hands of the most productive people, Dalio adds. “It’s not easy to manage and improve a country that has been mismanaged and in such a mess while also keeping people happy at a time when democracy is fracturing. I recommend regularly checking on how those in the bottom 60% are doing and feeling.”

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=176243043

? "Trump’s policies are aimed at moving more money, power and freedom into the hands of the most productive people, Dalio adds."

Who are the most productive people? Noted, a fellow billionaire Nick Hanauer says consumers are the ones who create jobs. See again:

OMOLIVES, Though i do have some agreement with your lag point, and also have posted articles saying president have less influence on the economy than most think, still there is too much evidence over too many decades for you not to accept, the economy does better under Democrats.
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Though you are obviously relatively well-informed, it's the arrogance reflected in your "Where have you been?" and in your
"Wake the f' up" .. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=175565964 .. that adds your undoing.

[janice shell]

Trump is not even close to being far right.

Sure he is. He's a nasty little fascist. And as greedy and corrupt as they come.

As for the "Iberosphere", I'd say it had its great moments in the 16th century. Right now, its leaders range from far right to far left, and have done for the past century.

Hmmm... Would Trump like to be crowned the next Emperor of Mexico? Like Massimiliano? I'd be fine with that.