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The mRNA, and other Covid vaxxes, either kept alive or mitigated symptoms of those who received them, in stark contrast to the final departure of anti-vaxxer Trump supporters. That you don't know about this is f'cking pathetic.

Did more Trump supporters die of Covid after the Covid vaxxes were introduced?

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Following the widespread availability of COVID-19 vaccines in 2021, studies found that excess mortality rates rose disproportionately among registered Republicans compared to registered Democrats. While researchers cannot definitively prove a direct causal link between voting habits and COVID-19 deaths, data show that low vaccine uptake and greater exposure to misinformation within more conservative-leaning communities were significant factors in the widening mortality gap.

Key findings on partisan death rates

Several studies, including research from Yale and a review by NPR, have highlighted the significant divergence in COVID-19 death rates following the vaccine rollout.

A widening gap: Researchers at Yale analyzed deaths in Florida and Ohio from March 2020 to December 2021. They found that before vaccines were widely available, the gap in excess death rates between Republican and Democratic voters was minimal. However, after April 2021, the excess death rate for Republicans became 43% higher than that of Democrats.

NPR analysis: An NPR analysis of death rates in late 2021 found that after vaccines became available, people in counties that voted heavily for Donald Trump were nearly three times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those in counties that voted for Joe Biden.

Areas with low vaccination: The disparity in death rates between Republican and Democratic voters was most pronounced in counties with lower overall vaccination rates.

Connection to vaccine hesitancy

The disproportionate deaths among Republicans largely reflect the stark partisan divide in COVID-19 vaccine uptake.

Lower vaccination rates: Throughout the pandemic, polling consistently showed that Republicans had significantly lower vaccination rates than Democrats. For example, a 2023 KFF poll found that 66% of Republicans had received at least one vaccine dose, compared to 91% of Democrats.

Influence of messaging: Research has indicated that political affiliation became a stronger predictor of vaccination status than age, race, or education during the pandemic.

The politicization of the vaccine and the spread of anti-vaccine misinformation within conservative circles played a critical role in shaping public attitudes and behaviors.

Importance of context

While data show a significant link between political affiliation and COVID-19 outcomes after the vaccine rollout, it is important to consider the full context.

Not a universal indicator: Political affiliation is not a perfect proxy for an individual's vaccination status. The studies show a trend at the population level, but many Republicans did get vaccinated, and some Democrats did not.

Underlying factors: Researchers acknowledge that party affiliation can be a proxy for other variables that affect health outcomes, such as income, insurance status, and community-level differences in adhering to public health measures like masking.

The bigger picture: The observed trend is part of the larger reality that unvaccinated individuals were at a much higher risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 than their vaccinated counterparts, regardless of political beliefs.

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jsc52033, Depending on one man in any situation is most usually fraught with problems. Maybe you
might have clicked yourself, from that post you replied to, to this, on one of Dr Malone's positions:

The false claim that the fully-approved Pfizer vaccine lacks liability protection
[...]
Malone, a physician who bills himself as having played a key role in creation of mRNA vaccines, is a prominent skeptic of the coronavirus vaccines that have been crafted using the technology. Shortly after the Food and Drug Administration fully authorized the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, he appeared on a program hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, a one-time adviser to former president Donald Trump, and claimed that the full authorization was a bait-and-switch game played by the FDA.

“One again the mainstream media has lied to you,” he said. “Sorry to say that. I know it’s a shock to this viewership.”

In essence, his argument was that the approved vaccine would no longer have liability protections so Pfizer would simply keep distributing in the United States the product that had been authorized for emergency use.

A similar claim was made by Robert F. Kennedy, a leading anti-vaccine campaigner.

“Licensed adult vaccines, including the new Comirnaty, do not enjoy any liability shield,” Kennedy wrote with a co-author in an Aug. 24 post. “Just as with Ford’s exploding Pinto, or Monsanto’s herbicide Roundup, people injured by the Comirnaty vaccine could sue for damages. And because adults injured by the vaccine will be able to show that the manufacturer knew of the problems with the product, jury awards could be astronomical. Pfizer is therefore unlikely to allow any American to take a Comirnaty vaccine until it can somehow arrange immunity for this product.”

These claims are false, based on a misunderstanding of the law, as Malone acknowledged after we contacted him.

The Facts
[...]
Malone quickly conceded his statement on the Bannon show was wrong. “When one is doing rapid analysis on the fly, one does not always get everything right,” he told The Fact Checker. “On this particular legal liability issue I did not hunt down the details myself, and relied on comments from a third party lawyer which were not fully correct.” He said the statements we received from Pfizer and HHS “are consistent with my current understanding.

https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=166088903

It is to Malone's credit he admitted he got that point wrong.

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jsc52033, More easy reading for you, on Dr. Malone - The Latest Covid Misinformation Star Says He Invented the Vaccines

"anything tpo do with mRNA needs to be seen by Dr Malone who was one of the staf who brought it to market
See what he says it is for and how it is being misused. He has been in many international countries speaking
about this vacine and its strengths and faliures."

jsc52033, As well as depending on one person in any of these matters being fraught with
danger, depending only on conservative sites and personalities is also problematical.

Dr. Robert Malone says he helped invent mRNA vaccines and has been wronged for decades. Now he’s spreading unfounded claims about the vaccines and the virus.


Robert Malone in Madison, Va. Matt Eich for The New York Times

By Davey Alba
April 3, 2022

MADISON, Va. — “I haven’t been able to ride a horse in months,” Dr. Robert Malone said from his 50-acre horse farm about two hours southwest of Washington. “It’s just a constant barrage of requests for assistance.”

Dr. Malone, 62, was sitting barefoot at his kitchen table, wearing a navy tie decorated with dark red spikes of the coronavirus, in the middle of another busy day of appearances on conservative television shows and podcasts. Just that week, he had appeared on “Hannity,” a hit on Fox News that averages over three million viewers, and on One America News. He joined “Candace,” an online talk show hosted by the right-wing media personality Candace Owens. And he was a guest on the podcasts “America First With Sebastian Gorka” and “The Joe Pags Show.”

Dr. Malone spent decades working in academic centers and with start-ups seeking to bring new medical treatments to market and to combat the Zika and Ebola outbreaks. But in recent months, as the coronavirus pandemic has persisted, he has taken up an entirely different role: spreading misinformation about the virus and vaccines on conservative programs.

In many of his appearances, Dr. Malone questions the severity of the coronavirus, which has now killed nearly one million people in the United States, and the safety of the coronavirus vaccines, which have been widely found to be safe and effective at preventing serious illness and death. His statements in late December on “The Joe Rogan Experience,” one of the most popular podcasts in the country, with 11 million listeners per episode on average, were at the center of the uproar over Mr. Rogan’s role in spreading bad information about the virus.

Dr. Malone also routinely sells himself on the shows as the inventor of mRNA vaccines, the technology used by Pfizer and Moderna for their Covid-19 shots, and says he doesn’t get the credit he deserves for their development. While he was involved in some early research into the technology, his role in its creation was minimal at best, say half a dozen Covid experts and researchers, including three who worked closely with Dr. Malone.

In spreading these exaggerations and unfounded claims, Dr. Malone joins medical professionals and scientists, like Dr. Joseph Mercola and Dr. Judy Mikovits, whose profiles have grown during the pandemic as they spread misinformation about mask-wearing and convoluted conspiracy theories about virus experts like Dr. Anthony Fauci.

But unlike many of them, Dr. Malone is quite new to the right-wing media world, first appearing regularly on podcasts last June. Even two years into the pandemic, new misinformation stars are being minted. And in today’s media echo chamber — powered by social media algorithms and a tightknit network of politicians and influencers promoting debunked claims — they can quickly catapult to stardom.

In addition to his regular appearances on conservative shows, Dr. Malone has more than 134,000 subscribers to his Substack newsletter. About 8,000 pay the $5 monthly cost, he said, which would amount to at least $31,200 in monthly revenue. And mentions of him on social media, on cable television and in print and online news outlets have soared — to more than 300,000 so far this year, according to Zignal, a media research firm.

The coronavirus pandemic has “given rise to a class of influencers who build conspiracy theories and recruit as many people into them as possible,” said Emerson T. Brooking, a resident senior fellow for the Atlantic Council who studies digital platforms. “These influencers usually have a special claim to expertise and a veneer of credibility.”

“And almost without exception, these influencers feel that they have been wronged by mainstream society in some way,” Mr. Brooking added.

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Dr. Malone earned a medical degree from Northwestern University in 1991, and for the next decade taught pathology at the University of California, Davis, and the University of Maryland. He then turned to biotech start-ups and consulting. His résumé says he was “instrumental” in securing early-stage approval for research on the Ebola vaccine by the pharmaceutical company Merck in the mid-2010s. He also worked on repurposing drugs to treat Zika.

In extended interviews at his home over two days, Dr. Malone said he was repeatedly not recognized for his contributions over the course of his career, his voice low and grave as he recounted perceived slights by the institutions he had worked for. His wife, Dr. Jill Glasspool Malone, paced the room and pulled up articles on her laptop that she said supported his complaints.

The example he points to more frequently is from his time at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in San Diego. While there, he performed experiments .. https://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6077 .. that showed how human cells could absorb an mRNA cocktail and produce proteins from it. Those experiments, he says, make him the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

“I was there,” Dr. Malone said. “I wrote all the invention.”

What the mainstream media did instead, he said, was give credit for the mRNA vaccines to the scientists Katalin Kariko and Drew Weissman, because there “is a concerted campaign to get them the Nobel Prize” by Pfizer and BioNTech, where Dr. Kariko is a senior vice president, as well as the University of Pennsylvania, where Dr. Weissman leads a laboratory researching vaccines and infectious diseases.

But at the time he was conducting those experiments, it was not known how to protect the fragile RNA from the immune system’s attack, scientists say. Former colleagues said they had watched in astonishment as Dr. Malone began posting on social media about why he deserved to win the Nobel Prize.

The idea that he is the inventor of mRNA vaccines is “a totally false claim,” said Dr. Gyula Acsadi, a pediatrician in Connecticut who along with Dr. Malone and five others wrote a widely cited paper .. https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.1690918 .. in 1990 showing that injecting RNA into muscle could produce proteins. (The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work by injecting RNA into arm muscles that produce copies of the “spike protein” found on the outside of the coronavirus. The human immune system identifies that protein, attacks it and then remembers how to defeat it.)

But Dr. Malone was not the lead author on the paper and, according to Dr. Acsadi, did not make a significant contribution to the research. While the paper stated that the technology could “provide alternative approaches to vaccine development,” Dr. Acsadi said none of the other authors would claim that they invented the vaccine.

“Some of his work was important,” said Dr. Alastair McAlpine, a pediatric infectious disease doctor based in Vancouver, British Columbia, “but that’s a long way away from claiming to have invented the technology that underpins the vaccines as we use them today.”

The vaccines “are the result of hundreds of scientists all over the world, all combining to come together to form this vaccine,” Dr. McAlpine said. “It was not one individual or the pioneering work of an individual person.”

A spokeswoman for Penn Medicine said, “We have been excited to witness the deployment of the vaccines in the global fight against the virus and the well-deserved global recognition for Drs. Kariko and Weissman’s decades of visionary basic science research.”

Dr. Malone pushes back against the criticism directed at him by scientists, researchers and journalists, and dismisses the dozens of fact-checks disputing his statements as “attacks.”

He also continues to repeat his claims, with the help of his wife, Dr. Glasspool Malone, who is trained in biotechnology and public policy. She writes, he said, more than half of the articles posted onto his Substack newsletter — which is awash in conspiracy theories about the Covid-19 vaccines. Recent articles include “The illusion of evidence-based medicine” and “How does it feel to be vindicated?”

Dr. Malone said he did not align himself with any particular political party. But in recent months, he and his wife have made numerous stops at popular conservative conferences, like Hereticon, the Peter Thiel-backed conference in Miami for Silicon Valley’s self-proclaimed contrarians, and the “Defeat the Mandates” march in Washington.

Dr. Malone says much of the pushback he receives is because anything that questions the guidance from organizations like the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is automatically labeled misinformation by the medical establishment, as well as the technology platforms.

Many well-meaning public figures and donors committed themselves to the wrong ideas, just to be able to tell themselves that they are indeed playing a role helping to solve the crisis, he said.

“It is really easy to get caught up in it, and obsess, and lose perspective — and kind of lose yourself,” Dr. Malone said of them.

Many scientists and researchers say there is good-faith disagreement about how to translate fast-moving science into policy, and acknowledge that health agencies have adjusted guidelines over time, as new information is collected.

Dr. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization at the University of Saskatchewan, said such guidance was “only as reliable as the evidence behind it, and thus it should change when new evidence is obtained.”

But they say Dr. Malone has twisted legitimate policy debates to use them as cover for continuing to spread misinformation and to advance claims about the pandemic that are demonstrably incorrect.

Months ago, he was promoting the drugs hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin for treatment of Covid-19, despite several studies and scientific trials showing a lack of evidence that the drugs improved the conditions of Covid patients. Dr. Malone said that early on in the pandemic, he believed that what he could contribute was bringing repurposed drugs to market.

“All the big boys came in for the vaccines,” Dr. Malone said. “We weren’t needed for that.”

The Food and Drug Administration continues to caution against the use of hydroxychloroquine “due to risk of heart rhythm problems,” and a large study published in March found that ivermectin does not reduce the risk of Covid hospitalization. The F.D.A. has also said taking large doses of the drug is dangerous.

“Robert Malone is exploiting the fact that data-driven course correction is inherent to the scientific process to peddle disinformation,” Dr. Rasmussen said. “It’s extraordinarily dishonest and morally bankrupt.”

The Proliferation of Pandemic Misinformation

The Most Influential Spreader of Coronavirus Misinformation Online
July 24, 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/24/technology/joseph-mercola-coronavirus-misinformation-online.html

Virus Conspiracists Elevate a New Champion
May 9, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/technology/plandemic-judy-mikovitz-coronavirus-disinformation.html

Misleading Virus Video, Pushed by the Trumps, Spreads Online
July 28, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/technology/virus-video-trump.html

Medical Expert Who Corrects Trump Is Now a Target of the Far Right
March 28, 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/technology/coronavirus-fauci-trump-conspiracy-target.html

Davey Alba is a technology reporter covering disinformation. In 2019, she won a Livingston Award for excellence in international reporting and a Mirror Award for best story on journalism in peril.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/03/technology/robert-malone-covid.html

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Stop watching newsmax. malone was always a quack. He had nothing to do with mrna and tried to lie his way to money.
When that didn't work he went against all science and doctors, because he's a fraud and asshole.

WHO PAYS THE TARIFFS??

AND WHERE IS THE 17 TRILLION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE COLLECTED ALREADY?